Steve, For what this is worth...I have engine A02100979 in car 23683, but that doesn't mean a lot as at this time, in that block of chassis numbers, there were also engines of the F106A021 designations, but with rather higher numbers, in the 024XX and 025XX range. I have tried to find a logic for the F106A021 engines for quite some time, but no luck so far; it seems that there was at least two, or even three different batches of engines installed in consecutive cars at the same time. Rgds
Always possible (and I have no information about that), but are you confirming that a late euro carbed 308 has the engine family F106A021 shown? TIA.
Seems so, Steve (let's be careful...): I just have had a look into Matthias Urban's "supplement n°1" to the "Handbuch der Ferrariseriennummern", published this year, and three late steel euro GTBs are listed with their full engine numbers, written as such: 28955 with engine F106A2101372 30689 with engine F106A2101475 30905 with engine F106A2101499 (a car converted by Makela) Rgds
I have a ton of records with mine which includes a letter from Ferrari Italy that states my 1979 308GTB Coupe #30485 was manufactured December 11, 1979. Engine #1786, Transmission #6000. Shipped to US March 11, 1980 Wholesaled May 12 1980 First of 3 owners including myself purchased car June 11, 1980 from Hollywood Sportscars for $41,201. Also a letter about this very subject from OO to Gerald Roush. Gerald replied that last USA carb GTB was "allegedly" 30639 and only had 8 higher numbered USA GTB's in his records than 30485. Best Bob
Your car was definitely built in the fall of 1979 - if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say September. Is 30163 a GTB or a GTS? Also, do you know if it's Euro, US, RHD UK, AUS, etc.? Do you know the production date for 30905? I have it as early 1980. Ferrari stopped doing matching numbers in the '60s. Hi, Steve, do you know the serial number that originally hosted engine 00927? I have a note in my database that's nearly seven years old, where you posted, on two separate occasions, that exact engine number picture, and I've been going crazy trying to match it to a serial number.
Not by the 308s, they made the engines in "batches", and they sat around until dropped in the car. So if it's "in the range" you can assume it's the first one. I have one car the engine blew under warranty never have confirmed the "range" of the second one but as it was Factory supplied it should be "close"
Well there are different types for different models (i.e., 308, 400i, Boxer, etc.), but I don't think there were different transmission types for the 308s. To my knowledge, all of the 308s of that era got the same transmission type.
Same box, that is same castings, possible. But inside, according to Dirk-Michael Konradt's book, Euro cars and US cars had a different final drive (4,063 for euro cars / 3,71 for US Cars) Rgds
Not different casings, but different gearing. This at least for 1st and 5th for carbed cars, according to Dirk-Michael's Konradt book ("Autos, die Geschichte machten, die Ferrari 308 und 328", Motorbuch Verlag, 1990; it is in German). It varies from version to version of the 308. For carbed cars, these were: Gear Euro US 1st 1:12.669 1:13.303 2nd 1:8.719 1:8.719 3nd 1:6.274 1:6:274 4th 1:4.611 1:4.611 5th 1:3.405 1.3.529 For injected two valves, all five gears were different between US and Euro cars For Q.Vs, all five gears different AND furthermore, swiss cars had their own different specific gears also. I am not competent/knowledgeable enough to say that this would imply a different type number punched into the casing itself, or on a plate; but what I know for sure, having seen one open, is that when you open the transmission of a 328, for which gearings are also different between euro and US cars, it is written "USA" inside the pan for cars fited with the gearing of the American market. Rgds
The last true 308 was 15604, built in april 1980. Not sure about these Pininfarina afterthoughts though....
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Awesome, thank you! Very cool. How long have you had it? Did you purchase it from the previous owner in Germany? How many miles?
Hi Ola, thank you for registering! As for the last carb'd 308, I can only refer to the GTB: According to my database, it is s/n 34503 (this was written in an e-mail from Ferrari Servizio Tecnica) Regarding the last known engine number for a Euro carb'd 308 GTB, it is F106A021*01719*. The engine belongs to s/n 34379, the latest chassis number which I have actually seen "in the flesh". Regards, Robert The Ferrari 308 GTB Register
One for the "train spotters"... Bump this thread, specifically for the question of the first full 17-positions VINs... Found this car in the "Osenat auction" this month over here; the text presents her as having a full 17-digit VIN: ZFFUA13A0F0030449. (Euro car, sold new in France by Pozzi) We do not have a picture of the plate or the chassis member where the VIN should be engraved, but if true she would be one of the first GTS with a full 17 digit VIN that I know of. Note also that she is a carburated car, and a full digit VIN on a carburated GTS is rare. (and ex car of ex-Gabon's President Omar Bongo, by the way...) 1980 FERRARI 308 GTS EX OMAR BONGO 27 000 KMS D'ORIGINE CHÂSSIS N°ZFFUA13AOF0030449 Rgds
Hello everybody, it's a long time since I posted here... but life is complicated and something like Ferraris sometimes go down the top ten list of most important things to do During an evening with friends, chatting about cars and Ferraris , I have been proposed to look at a 308 GTB with carbs. Chassis number is 30885, engine type F106A021, transmission final reduction 1/3.70 (that's what it's written in the registration card whose pic the owner sent to me). I don't know the engine number because I didn't have the chance to look at the car yet. It has been first registered before june 1980; I don't know exactly when because in June 1980 the car has changed owner and in Italy, at that time, they gave you a new registration without the date of the first registration... you have to pay to check the history of the car if you whant to know. Has someone more infos in their databases on chassis number 30885? Since I'm writing here, I took the chance, making a little O.T., to ask how I can distinguish a dry sump car from a wet sump car (just a curiosity, since F106A021 is stated as a wet sump engine). Thank you all for your attention. Alessandro
Ciao Alessandro, F106A021 is the designator for DRY SUMP engines, not wet sumps, which are F106A020. It would be coherent with the car being Italian, as euro-markets carbed GTB were all DRY SUMP, not wet sump. 30885 is unknown to me, nor to the F-Register of Matthias Urban... Which colors inside/outside is it? Rgds
Thank you Nerofer. Probably I misunderstood the note that was in another site regarding VIN numbers (that this car, being built prior 1981, doesn't have). The car is red (outside) and beige inside (with the seats having the black band in the middle). This I saw from the only picture that the owner sent to me and I cannot tell more because, as said before, I haven't had the chance to look at the car "live" yet. Any other information about this kind of cars (but I'll browser the forum) will be appreciated. Thanks, Alessandro
"Production ran from 1975 through to 1980, during which time 2897 examples were produced in the chassis number range 18677 to 34349." - Ferrari
But...this is simply not true. According to Robert Retzlaff site (quoted above, well worth a visit) who himself is quoting the Servizio Assistenza Tecnica of...Ferrari: "But according to the Servizio Assistenza Tecnica of Ferrari, after this there were manufactured another five: 34377 - 34379 - 34389 - 34465 - 34503!" Robert himself has seen 34379 "in the flesh"... So...it is not that simple. It is never simple when researching Ferrari production. Which make it so interesting. Rgds
In fact it belongs to a German member of this forum for a long, long time. Have a look here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/140696879-post39.html
