Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Looks great in black.
I would love to see one in Blu Pozzi.

 

What really matters is performance and efficiency. So far the 458 Speciale has higher compression, higher specific output, higher specific torque, higher redline. LaFerrari's engine started life as an FXX engine (there is no greater honour than that) but is vastly improved since then and is the most powerful N/A engine in the world. No comparisson indeed...

 

I don't see how you can claim the FXX engine, with no racing pedigree whatsoever, created for strictly amateur and highly limited track use, is in any way great. And as everyone knows, a V12 is hardly the future. It is a relic of the past and is only retained for emotive rather than engineering reasons. Sounds nice though.

 

Which of the other 2 engines have real racing pedigree? I was referring to that V12 as being a high revving, NA V12, with a 9500 RPM red line and a specific output that shames many racing cars!!!
Why is the V12 a relic of the past? It is the best configuration ever!!!

 

918 has 608hp... Speciale has 597? both rev to 9k. also, 918's engine has a bit in reserve. amazingly light wgt. rumors the final spec 918 will have over 900hp.

 

The 918 has 610 metric from a N/A 4.6 litre V6. The Speciale has 605 metric from a 4.5 litre N/A V8. The Speciale has a higher specific output. Anyway, Ferrari is the authoritative engine builder worldwide. Porsches are nice but not as good engine wise.

 

Uh, you are aware that the 918 engine is derived from the RS Spyder, right?

 

Yeah, wishful thinking. Competition engines are very different to actual road car engines!!!

 

And as such the FXX engine is very different than what's in anything you can actually buy, no?

The 918 engine is vastly superior to anything available for the road from Ferrari at this point. No one in their right mind could compare a 458 engine to the 918. No one seems to have driven an LF yet, so can't comment on that at this point and it's not a completely fair comparison with V12 vs V8.

 

Why do you say that? The FXX engine started life as an Enzo engine. Now it is a LaFerrari engine. Heavily changed of course.
Why can't anyone compare the Speciales V8 to that other V8? One is lither, the other is more highlyt strung.

 

Sorry bit this just isn't correct. Ferrari is the authority in road going V8s as their 458 Speciale further proves. It's piston design alone makes everything else look like amateurs hour. As I'm sure Porsche would make Ferrari look like amateur hour if Ferrari tried building a flat 6. Ferrari just plain knows far more than Porsche does with regards to the flat plane V8 design.

 

architecture same, internals, displacement changed for drivability and reliability. instead of 11k rpm redline, it makes due with 9k. who are we kidding, it's a 10k rpm production engine, if Porsche would accept a small decline in reliability. crazy hp for given displacement, and just as important, crazy hp to weight ratio. quite a bit lighter than any other V8.

 

yeah, because the RS Spyder 3.4L V8 was such an amateur lump (flat plane). It was crap but Porsche decided to use it as the platform for 918 engine. come on. you make it sound like only Ferrari knows about high performance ICE's. Rosso colored glasses. Porsche must have crap engineers, crap software and tech. all engines are built with acceptable trade offs in mind. the 918 lump is impressively light weight, no other V8 can compete in the HP/engine wgt ratio.

 

I hate to get into this kind of conversations, but seriously guys in no way is the 458 speciale V8 superior to the 918 V8, do your research properly. The 918 V8 is arguably the best and most advanced V8 ever designed period!

 

Very primitive thinking about technology...Zonda revolution has around 135hp per liter amg engine using more than 12 year block or so. What you say has nothing common with technology...

 

I know for a fact that Ferrari engines are engineered to be able to withstand (momenrtarily) 3K RPM more than their cut off. What you say is no different that this and makes the P engine no better.

 

Zonda has less than that but the FXX Evo has more than 137 CV per litre. Now that's serious firepower!!!

 

Merry Christmas man, love your passion!

 

Merry Xmas to you too mate.

 

So, that means that you will agree that ferrari and renault f1 engines from 2004 and 2005 are complete technological disaster compared to mercedes and bmw engines of that era because ferrari and renault were 30-40 hp less powerful than germans considering same engine displacement and regulations?)))

 

Wow this thread is awesome, now it is the Porsche vs. Ferrari, I guess the McLaren went exit stage right.

 

The Ferrari 054 was the most powerful engine of its era and it put out some 1000 CV at 21,000 RPM in quali mode. That made the F2004 the best F1 car in history.

 

LOL!
Merry Xmas Tony.

 

This.

As I know this is Fchat so all things not Ferrari suck but the thought someone thinks Ferrari engines are superior to All others is laughable.


How about a flat 6 that can run for 100's of 1000's miles on oil changes and nothing else. Ferrari engines couldn't think about that.

Well it went to Engine discussions. Mac doesn't make engines.