Where will the 777x be built????

Understand that the vote for the Seattle IAM is today. National IAM wants the workers to approve the agreement but the local IAM leadership is against it. Boeing is saying that a no vote means absolutely that the wing will not be made in Seattle. Latest on final assembly has more hedging with may not and eventually may not being used.

22 states have submitted packages to Boeing some with multiple sites. Allegedly 2 states have been told they are out of further consideration (North Carolina and a northeast state - Pennsylvania?). Everyone one of the remaining states is hoping for that no vote today.

Jeff

 

Vinny, you haven't a clue....

If you go to the Cinci-Dayton area you will find a number of GE ENGINEERING facilities situated in large business buildings like in the West Chester Complex on Cincinnati Dayton Road, or the building on Medallion Road. GE refers all of these facilities as their "Evendale Headquarters".

These aren't manufacturing facilities and they aren't in the old Evendale plant. In addition to GE Aviation divisions, the GE Marine division that uses the aviation engines is housed in that general area too. You dig out some press release that says there are 9100 workers in this area and you are assuming that these are all manufacturing workers in the Evendale manufacturing facility. That isn't the case at all. GE does most of the engineering for all of the large gas turbines in the Cincinnati-Dayton area. They rent space for all these people in modern buildings because the old plant would have to be gutted and rebuilt to be a business facility and it is less expensive to just rent space in the glut of office space that is available since the recession. I'm sure that's what the headcount is, but these people aren't located in the Evendale plant and they aren't involved in manufacturing.

In addition to the engineering done in the basement of the Evendale plant (which other than the testing is pretty much most of what goes on in that facility) there is very little manufacturing going on at Evendale.

Realize the headquarters operations are engineering and management heavy and they could be located in a lot of different places. GE got all these incentives and tax credits to keep these jobs in the Cincinnati-Dayton area, but if you think manufacturing is going on there you've never been in the plant. About the time the tax credits were given GE decided they were going to move out of their management and engineering facilities in the town of Glendale, and these were relocated to the West Chester complex. That was about half the folks in Cincinnati, so that makes sense that they are claiming they kept 5,000 jobs there. They got tax incentives to help pay for the relocation.

Do some real research and figure out what's really going on before you make foolish statements as to what you think is happening.

 

I have been the only one doing "research" on this page, you have been proven wrong time and again, and why play so coy, if you are so smart about GE engines, it turns out that they are assembled 30 miles west of Evendale in Peebles, Ohio. You are splitting hairs on a minor element.

If anything GE is to be commended for investing in research to improve their product and then opening factories in the USA to build these new parts IN HOUSE. What they are doing is the complete opposite of what you claim.





As the Boeing 747-8 and 787 fleets prepare to enter service, the GEnx engine production is dramatically ramping up. GEnx deliveries are growing in 2011 to more than 140 engines, compared to 67 deliveries in 2010. In 2012, GEnx deliveries are expected to surpass 200.

The production ramp-up is increasing GEnx activity at GE Aviation's large network of production sites. These sites and their contribution to the GEnx engine are:

Evendale, OH: Development test and program management
Peebles, OH: Final assembly and check-out _--$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Asheville, NC: Rotating parts
Batesville, MS: Composite fan platforms and cases
San Marcos, TX: Composite fan blades
Dayton, OH: Ducts and tubes
Durham, NC: Engine hot section assembly
Greenville, SC: Turbine blades
Hooksett, NH: Blisks, sectors & tubes
Jacksonville, FLA: Turbine ignitions components, sensors & harnesses
Lynn, MA: CDP seals
Madisonville, KY: turbine airfoils
Manchester, CT: Structures
Middle River, MD: Thrust reversers
Rutland, VT: Airfoils
Terre Haute, IN: Combustor assembly
Wilmington, NC: Rotating parts
West Jefferson, NC: Rotating parts


Best-selling GEnx Engine Enters New Era<p>First Customer Delivery of GEnx-powered Boeing 747-8 to Cargolux | Press Release

 

show plants for politicians my A$$, they are real GE plants making all their new hi-tech parts for current engines and future engines, good for them good for the country. Give up your grudge against GE, your posts are nothing but mis-information, give it up.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q_874RJkIo]Ellisville, Mississippi Aviation Composites Factory Tour | GE Aviation - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbpWQcfFWGw]Auburn, Alabama GE Aviation Jet Engine Components Factory Tour - YouTube[/ame]

 

Boeing machinists OK contract tied to 777X

 

hilarious that SoCal thought they were robbed

Boeing vote a blow to Southern California - latimes.com

 

GENX engine in production at Peebles OH final assembly plant

General Electric : Up close with the front end of a GEnx engine at GE...



GE90 engine in production at Peebles OH final assembly plant

General Electric : A GE90 engine at GE Aviation in Peebles, OH. Shot...




and video

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKFdX4Z1QPs]GEnx Production | Two Minute Engine | Jet Engine | GE Aviation - YouTube[/ame]

 

Surprisingly a dose of reality managed to find 51% of the voting union. The other 49% and the non-voters are still wandering around in the wilderness without a clue.

Boeing may play their hand better when they decide to replace the 737. On the other hand the alternative states may not be so willing to grovel after being played this time.

Jeff

 

Evendale is in greater Cinncinnati, Peebles is a suburb of Cinncinnati, GENX and GE90 are assembled in Peebles while CFM engines are assembled in Cinncinnati.


You can believe your eyes and GE or the guy who keeps posting crap above. I am done with the dude.



"The work split for the CFM56 and LEAP engines takes advantage of
the technological expertise and capabilities of both GE and Snecma.
Each partner handles the production of all modules for which they are responsible,
then sends half of its production to the other partner. GE is in charge of the CFM56
core, comprising the high-pressure compressor, combustor and high-pressure turbine.
Snecma is responsible for the fan module, low-pressure compressor and turbine,
gearbox and accessories. The complete engines are assembled on a 50/50 basis
by GE at its facilities in Evendale, Ohio (near Cincinnati), and Durham, North Carolina,
and by Snecma at Villaroche (near Paris, France)." http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/files/brochures/cfm-brochureV9.pdf



2011 photo of final assembly of CFM56 in Cinncinnati - General Electric : Shooting at our #Aviation plant in Cincinnati, OH...

2013 photo of final assembly of CF6-80C2 in Cinncinnati - General Electric : A CF6-80C2 engine at GE Aviation in Cincinnati,...




wiki - "The CFM International CFM56 (U.S. military designation F108) series is a family of high-bypass turbofan aircraft engines made by CFM International (CFMI), with a thrust range of 18,000 to 34,000 pounds-force (80 to 150 kilonewtons). CFMI is a 50&#8211;50 joint-owned company of SNECMA, France and GE Aviation (GE), USA. Both companies are responsible for producing components and each has its own final assembly line. GE produces the high-pressure compressor, combustor, and high-pressure turbine, and SNECMA manufactures the fan, gearbox, exhaust and the low-pressure turbine, while some components are made by Avio of Italy. The engines are assembled by GE in Evendale, Ohio, and by SNECMA in Villaroche, France. "

 

"This will put our workforce on the cutting edge of composite technology, while sustaining thousands of local jobs for years to come"

Boeing builds very little, very very little, of the 787 in the Puget Sound area. So building the 777X wing here will be significant has far as content. It will represent an investment by Boeing in infrastructure but the actual number of employees required to build the wing is not the much. Even the current 777 wing built in Everett is highly automated. The bottom line is that the number of people required to build an airplane is much less than it used to be. It is always amusing waking through the 747 assembly line and watching rivets being driven on large assemblies. What a horrible job bucking rivets all day, every day, every week, month after month, year after year.

 

How so? I didn't see anything in that article that even suggests SoCal thought they were robbed.

And anyone with common sense would have known SoCal had zero chance even if the union voted no.

I do laugh at the first picture of women machinists who voted no but are crying the contract was accepted. Cry now? How about when you have no job and can't pay your bills.

 

Hopefully vinny & solo can (give it a) rest now&#8230;&#8230;.? just saying'&#8230;..

 

There were 22 states that bid for Boeing.IMO a lot of them will be back on the table for the 737

 

+1

 

Yes, Please Vinny give it a break...

Here is a link to what is manufactured in GE and where...

GE Aviation: Facilities

As you can see on this page the current CFM-56 production (the -7) has been moved to North Carolina...

There is some legacy CFM-56 assembly in Evendale, but that work is winding down. The marine engines are built there because they are based on legacy engines (mostly the CF6) that used to be built there and the tooling is still there, but marine engine production is for very small quantities. There is a machining cell making large frames and cases and there is a machining cell making seals and supports. These are relatively small machining facilities and they don't take up much of the Evendale factory. Almost any GE engine can be assembeled in Evendale for testing and that commonly happens. That is not engine production, that's one off assembly, and I am sure you can find a photo of any engine being built there and say that I don't know what I'm talking about, but all you are doing at this point is trolling.

I stand by my statement that large areas of the Evendale facility are empty because I've been in there and seen it.

Peebles isn't Evendale. It's 20 miles away. I don't know why you ever brought it up other than to troll... I've never said anything about Peebles, and I haven't been there in a very long time so I do not know how that facility has evolved.

I won't feed the troll anymore, I'm done with this...

 

Not to mention why would you move from one heavily unionized location to another heavily unionized location plus everything you mentioned above.

 

that was my point...CA would have been a distant last on Boeing's list anyway

 

Ah now I see

 

When I lived my three months in SoCal - on a Grumman team working on the C-17 at Douglas in Long Beach in 1987 - I had dinner with a fellow who I had known on L.I. and was now working at one of the area aircraft plants.

He lived in Bellflower because it was centrally located, so he could go wherever the hot work was at the moment. Consider the options: Burbank, El Segundo, Hawthorne, Inglewood, Long Beach, Pico Rivera, Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, and undoubtedly others in the basin, not to mention Palmdale or San Diego.

Now consider how many of those are still in the airplane business......

 

Anyone see the report that 4 of the Seattle union members have filed a grievance with the NLRB over the approval? They claim that the national IAM should not have scheduled the vote for that Friday as too many members would still be on vacation.

Keep in mind that this is the same NLRB that worked real hard in giving a spurious anti-Boeing ruling over the South Carolina facility a few years back. Now they get another opportunity to prove themselves.

Sounds like Boeing may need to keep that search for a new location going after all. This action certainly proves that Boeing's Seattle union remains incapable of grasping reality and will continue to cause problems into the future.

Sure don't see a lot of jobs for those ex-Boeing factory workers at Microsoft or Amazon in the area.

Jeff

 

National surely doesn't want them to fold.

I'd like to see all unions gone. Maybe this would be another nail.

Funny I'd bet a third would move with and take the pay cut.

What a joke this union is making of their members.

 

The national IAM wanted the contract to be approved. They had to force the Seattle local to even hold the vote. The local leadership had declined to hold a vote as they believed the new Boeing offer insufficiently differed from the prior offer that had been voted down. Even when the national IAM was able to get this voted on the local union leadership recommended against the offer.

Latest contract approved by the local members by 51% with less turn out than the prior vote.

Crap like this should be a fine reason for Boeing to create all new opportunities anywhere where the unions and especially the IAM are not. I have little faith that the engineers' union at Boeing SPEEA will be any more reasonable when their turn comes up.

Jeff

 

I do know the national wanted it approved. It's the local union making themselves look like idiots. The handful of speaking members are just their puppets I'm sure.


Pride will crush these guys if they aren't careful.

Sad to see it.