issues with ceramic carbon brakes on f430?

I bought a car with ceramic brakes. If you don't plan on tracking the car, your rotors will pretty much last the lifetime of the car.

Worse case scenario, if it does fail, you can always convert to steel

 

It wouldn't stop me from buying the car. Even some light track use like just a few 20 minute session in a day every few months should not wear out the CCB as long as you own the car.

If you are really paranoid about the CCB buy the car and shelf the CCBs, you can replace them with new steel rotors and pads for very little money as in less then the cost of one of the CCB rotors.

 

It seems Corvette ZR1 has the same (or very close) CCM brake set up as 430 it not identical, and there is a complete review in Corvette forum detailing the conversion to steel rotors from CCM rotors here:

Ceramic to RB steel rotors conversion - Corvette Forum

So either converting to steel rotors or replacing to ZR1 CCM rotors should be a good alternative I think.

 

Good find

 

Ricambi sells a conversion kit.

I wouldn't worry though. Enjoy the car and the CCB. Worrying about stuff that may or may not break will just get you paranoid

 

I've read that the only downside to CCM rotors is that they can be broken by careless removing or re-installing the wheels.
Alan

 

I bought my 430 and it has CCM brakes. It's an expensive option but it didn't reflect in the purchase price. I think they look great with those HUGE calipers on the front wheels. Plus...NO BRAKE DUST!!! Your wheels stay nice and clean. Don't let it get in the way of a prospective purchase.

 

CCB/CCM - Utterly brilliant - and NO BRAKE DUST.

You will regret not taking the plunge when you see your steel equipped car parked next to the ceramic optioned cousin - buy it and enjoy.

 

To say NO BRAKE DUST is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe less brake dust than conventional, but there is definitely brake dust.

I don't see as much brake dust on the wheels, but there is a lot of it down the side of the car and the rear bumper. Following a spirited drive, there is a diffuse coating on those areas that can be easily seen on my white car.

Also, drive a few times and then wash out the brake rotor with a garden hose. You will see a huge puddle of black water from all the brake dust.

All brake systems wear out and all make dust. Some are just more than others.

The CCM rotors are primarily for looks and for the marginal performance improvement during occasional light track use that some of these cars see.

Opinions will vary. That's my 2C.

 

I agree with Labman... on my CS, basically NO BRAKE dust!! love them!! and as others have said... A) will last the life of car (in Ferrari miles!!) B) Cheaper corvette replacement available..

enjoy!!

 

Ceramics are great even if u do light tracking - very durable

 

Good to know, paging Daniel, Daniel to isle CCB to Steel thread please

 

Very fair evaluation and well stated. All brakes make dust no matter what set up you have, while it comes more from brake pads than rotors, and it's always good to have other options on brake pads or rotors (no matter it's ceramic or steel).

 

Truthfully, there is so little "brake dust" with CCB's, that those who use the term are not far off the mark. It is really nothing at all.

If asked a benefit of CCM's, "no brake dust" is a benefit I would easily state - and I am speaking from experience as we have two F-cars with CCB's, including the F430.

In fact, love the brakes enough, that if looking to purchase a 430, this single option would be top of the list.

 

Agreed. In fact, after 3 years of ownership, I've just upgraded my steel brakes to brand new CCMs. Lovely Jubbly ...
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Most brake dust comes from the rotors and is made of iron products that are charged and stick to the wheels. Ceramic brakes do no make oxides of metal, and thus no brake dust. My Mov'It CERs also do not make brake dust. Much harder than cast iron rotors, ceramic rotors do not lose much material during braking.

 

Most brake dust comes from the rotors and is made of iron products that are charged and stick to the wheels. Ceramic brakes do no make oxides of metal, and thus no brake dust. My Mov'It CERs also do not make brake dust. Much harder than cast iron rotors, ceramic rotors do not lose much material during braking.[/QUOTE]

Translated : CCB's - equals no brake dust indeed . it is true - please just accept it. That said, buy a 430 with CCM's, or a newer F- car as they are standard and speed for your selves.

 

Translated : CCB's - equals no brake dust indeed . it is true - please just accept it. That said, buy a 430 with CCM's, or a newer F430, as they are standard. [/QUOTE]

Just an "edit" from prior post -

 

I get that CCBs have no or reduced brake dust. That does not mean the rims don't get dirty or that they don't need to be cleaned.

I am not sure what you mean, even read it a few times, but I don't want CCBs until I have to have them. i.e. 458. The possibility of a $10-15k brake job after a few track days just would bum me out. You can buy a lot of fun for 15k!

$4300 to retrofit Steel to a CCM 430. Not too bad really : BBKIT430 F430 CCM to Steel Brake Conversion : Ricambi America

 

If you don't want CCB's, you don't have to get em....but he are great!

 

Another expensive alternative is to replace the CCM rotors with Mov'It CER rotors designed to fit the CCM calipers. Solid carbon silicon carbide, they will not wear out on the street or the track. But a set for four wheels is $15K for a permanent solution.

 

Maybe our driving styles differ......but CCB's do have brake dust. It is true - please accept it. Following a spirited drive where I actually use the brakes as intended, the wheels and car will be coated in brake dust. I promise to post pics next time it is out.

Several other members have reported on their experience with steel rotors and CCM rotors lifespans. Steel rotors will last about half as long as the CCM rotors. It is possible to go thru a set of steel rotors with one set of pads, and a set of CCM rotors with two sets of pads. A lot of people get twice that, but it gives you an idea.

The material off the rotors and the pads is what creates the "brake dust". Trust me.....it's there. I dusted off a brand new set of pads in 3 days at Road America this past summer. From new to toast in 3 days.