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  1. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

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    #1 cavallo95, Jan 13, 2014
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  2. Reddesire

    Reddesire Formula Junior

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    ...........now you just need to lower it a fraction and it will be perfect ;)
     
  3. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

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    Can I just turn nuts on coilovers to do that?
    Can anyone here tell me step by step instructions on how to lower with stock suspension and what tools I may need?. ..
    I know I will change the camber a lil but il deal with that later.
     
  4. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

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    I have a set of f430 wheels with 85% tires if anyone here can use them, message me.
     
  5. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    You sure can. You need a fork wrenchie thingie. Start with your car on a level flat surface. Use help. Take measurements are four reliable places (your corners) between the chassis and the floor. Be conservative on your adjustments. Do 2 at a time - fronts or rears. Don't worry if the car still looks a bit high. Drive it around and then remeasure. It may settle into the desired height by then. Make sure you have someone outside the car look at it with you in it to make sure it isn't butt low once you are in it - Ernie, I'm talking to you! :p

    PLEASE be aware of how high the car needs to be to get into your driveway or just around town over local speed bumps. Having a cool looking lowered car scrape the crap out of its suspension at a car show or the drive-through is really embarassing!
     
  6. driveitdaily

    driveitdaily Formula 3

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    snap on makes spanner wrenches in the right size . ahs 301 and ahs 304 . it will help if you compress the springs slightly, the nuts will turn easier . i believe each complete turn reduces ride height by 1.2mm.
     
  7. PaulW_968

    PaulW_968 Karting

    Jan 12, 2014
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    cavallo95: If you are going to do this yourself and want some help....I'll come and help! Would love to see your car.
     
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  9. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

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    Thank you Paul , I would love for you to come by and help me out, have you done this before.
     
  10. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

    Jan 23, 2007
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    Thank you very much, it helps to know how much it will drop once I start turning the nut.
     
  11. PaulW_968

    PaulW_968 Karting

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    Haven't done it on this car before....but it's not a difficult procedure to perform. As others mentioned, compressing the springs helps a lot.
     
  12. RSD

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    What are the challenge height specs.
     
  13. rexrcr

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    http://deltavee.net/2013/03/lowering-ferrari-512tr-348-f355-550-mondial-t/

    Best,
    Rob

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  14. rexrcr

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  15. rexrcr

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    The thread pitch on the shock is 1.5mm. But then there is the mechanical linkage geometry (aka motion ratio) that's 0.70 front and 0.85 rear.

    It's all explained in my blog article about lowering.

    Best,
    Rob

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  16. rexrcr

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    The rear springs on a F355 don't have much preload, so cleaning up the threads (removing road grime and the factory undercoat that's frequently splashed on the shocks) is more important. Then also spray lubricant on the upper and lower rubber spring vibration isolators as they cause huge friction opposing lower spring mounts from turning.

    Front springs do have much more pre load. But it's difficult to get a spring compressor in there.

    Whatever you do one must use a proper spanner. We see tons of spring mounts hacked up by someone pounding on them with a hammer and punch, they're aluminum, pretty soft...

    We have a supply of nice used ones if anyone needs them.

    Best,
    Rob

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  17. Extreme

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    I tried turning the shock tower rings on my 99 355 using the proper wrenches and could not get them to turn while still on the car. There is a rubber flange the spring sits in that wouldn't allow the collar to budge. I would have damaged the suspension before that thing would have moved. The problem for me was the inability to compress the spring while on the car. There just wasn't enough room to get either of the spring compressors I tried in there. I finally removed the shocks and then I just went ahead and installed some H&R sport springs.
     
  18. cavallo95

    cavallo95 Formula Junior

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    I did lubricated the area well , and at first it seemed tight but got better as I lowered the spring, fronts were specially tight but rear was a lot better, but im glad it worked out for you by removing them.
     
  19. cavlino

    cavlino Formula 3

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    Looks very nice! If you are just street driving the car fine but if its going on the track I'm not sure if it will add more stress to axles and the tranny due to the wider foot print. Just keep that in mind.
     
  20. cavlino

    cavlino Formula 3

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    If they would correctly fit a Challenge Stradale I would consider them...
     
  21. rexrcr

    rexrcr Formula 3
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    Spacing the wheels out increases the lever arm length on the wheel bearings (increases bearing stress), no effect on other components.

    Widening the track uniformly decreases lateral load transfer so this increases grip. Altering track width more on one axle vs the other alters handling balance. Ask a kart racer... altering track width is about the most powerful tuning tool a Kart guy has.

    Best,
    Rob

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  22. cavlino

    cavlino Formula 3

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    Thanks for the facts Rob!
     
  23. Eric C

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    Where are you guys buying the spacers at? Do they require new lug nuts?
     
  24. rexrcr

    rexrcr Formula 3
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    To clarify, we have a selection of used lower spring mounts and locking nuts (pn 155086 and 141860 respectively).

    Best,
    Rob
     
  25. scrappin35

    scrappin35 Karting

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    I thought you were referring to the spanner wrenches

     

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