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Maserati Bora - Picture Thread

Discussion in 'Maserati' started by Ron S, Sep 22, 2007.

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  1. mullin

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    I didn't think that the car you bought had a cover, or at least it didn't when I looked at it.
    Is it possible to store anything on the cover when it's in place?
     
  2. staatsof

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    Absolutely! But it gets warm. I've used for garment bags and I've even stored a helmet and driving suit duffle bag on long trips.

    The Bora has fantastic soft luggage space.

    Eugene, in all the years I drove min in high heat I never noticed that it helped not having in place but I can't honestly say that it hurt it either. The idea for rear fan tail of that piece is to direct air out those two rear slots on the top of the hatch at speed but they didn't get the design right.

    One time I thought about a row of fans under those slots to suck heat out of the engine compartment which I suppose would help at slow speed anyway???
     
  3. Julius H.

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    #379 thecarnut, Jan 15, 2014
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    This discussion reminded me that some years ago I bought a Bora that the previous owner custom made a Plexiglas engine cover. I still have it as the car also came with its original engine cover.

    Perhaps the factory should have thought of this approach instead of the coffin.

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  5. dadams73

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    The guy (owner's nephew) I dealt with said he didn't think they had the engine cover, when it came down to negotiations, the absence of the cover was driving my offer down, when all of the sudden the actual owner replied "we have the cover in the other garage". It was important to me for the completeness of the package, but I don't suspect I will ever actually use it. I don't know if it was intentional or not (the missing cover) I presume one of those would fetch a nice dollar on ebay if an unsuspecting buyer did not demand it with the sale!
     
  6. mullin

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    The missing cover is the only reason that I was hesitating to purchase this car.
    I asked repeatedly about it but was told that it didn't exist.
    Had I known.....
    Oh well, my search continues.
    Best of luck with her, she is a beauty
     
  7. dadams73

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    Good for me, I guess, thanks for the compliment! #510 is currently being fully sorted out at Algar then a painstaking detail. When I get the car back, I will post of some pics with and with out the engine cover!
     
  8. mullin

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    Oh that's nice! rub it in. :)
     
  9. thecarnut

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    Oh ... and it also came wit two extra tool kits still wrapped in the factory plastic :)

    Ivan
     
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    Ha!

    Now that would be nice, but I can assure you -- no tools, looking for a set if you want to sell yours Ivan, sadly, I suspect not.
     
  11. staatsof

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    How odd ...
     
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    That was some undertaking. The only problem with that is then they would it would have been even more necessary for them to make the engine compartment look well put together and on Bora's they aren't except for the top of the engine.

    But that idea is more like an exotic show car than what they did end up doing.
     
  13. JulianMerak

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  14. italiancars

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    The first thing to remember is that Bonhams has the highest fees for both the buyer and seller in the business. The question is what did the car sell for, the price the buyer paid, or the price the seller put in his pocket after all the fees are paid? That is the number at which the seller let the car go.
     
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    I hate to say it but compared to what lesser cars are currently selling (ex: Jaguar e-types) this is not a good sales result. It shows just how soft Boras prices continue to be ... which is a real pity since the Bora is a real supercar.

    Ivan
     
  16. italiancars

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    It is as it always has been Maseratis are worth 1/3 the value of a similar condition of its equivalent model Ferrari. In the case of the Bora it is the Boxer. Maybe we should start a thread about this!
     
  17. dadams73

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    According to Bonhams catalog, this Bora had about 37k miles. The motor was mismatched and unoriginal to the car. The exterior paint and interior were also unoriginal to factory spec. Bonhams has a 10% vig on automobiles. While this appeared to be a nice car. High 90's considering the above is a pretty good number on this lot
     
  18. staatsof

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    There were some spectacular prices for E-types in those auctions. I like the look of them just don't fit in them but they're not on the same level in terms of the type of car but even though they not at all rare E-types are far more popular and valuable. At least the convertibles are. I'm not so sure very many people even consider E-types to be lesser cars.

    As long some so called Maserati experts keep bad mouthing the LHM stuff I guess it will continue.
     
  19. Maserati Blue

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    I'm sorry you invested your money in the wrong car, but no matter what you try, there will be people like me who will express the naked truth as it is. No matter how many sneaky remarks you place in each discussion.

    Those Daytonas are not citroen hybrids, and the market knows that very well.

    Why not accept that fact and move on to talk about the good things of the Bora? There are many things better in a Bora than a Daytona and I think we should focus the discussion there, instead of trying to pretend that LHM is a good thing.
     
  20. staatsof

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    What sneaky remark?

    I don't consider your comments anything that could possibly affect the market value of any car. But you do annoy quite effectively. You see, I can think of all kinds of things to critique about certain models of cars but I don't do that generally on a website devoted to them because it annoys people and is impolite as well.

    There's very little information or truth but tons of opinion in your posts on this subject.

    The LHM is a central feature of the Bora, Khamsin and a lot if not most Meraks.
    Ignoring that is not possible or even desirable. Most of us that do know something about it try to educate the ignorant about the system because lots of misinformation has been spewed over the years and no I do not gloss over any issues such as not being able to heal & toe effectively. I also do not particularly care for the hydraulic seat adjustments on the Bora though at that time there was no way to do it electrically in such a confined space and the LHM system was already on board. My chief complaint is that it moves to fast and not smoothly but that's mostly due to the crude nature of the seat lever mechanism.

    Since you have a lot of Merak owner associations perhaps it's YOU who should reconsider your continual berating of these cars. I can't imagine your fellow Merak owners appreciate your constant sniping.
     
  21. italiancars

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    Being a Citroen "Hybrid" has little to do with Maserati values being 1/3 that of it competitive Ferrari model. The Ghibli, Mistral, Sebring, 3500 none of which have anything related to Citroen in the cars are also are in the same 1/3 range. While I agree that having the Citroen Vulcan Blood doesn't help matters, it is not the reason behind the lesser values.

    Whereas Aston and Lamborghinis are in a similar range as Ferrari, but not Maserati. Look at the Mistral, Sebring, 3500 which compare very favorably to a DB4, 5, 6 but are worth 1/3 to 1/2.
     
  22. italiafan

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    The funny thing is...for me...it is precisely this "underdog" persona of Maserati that makes me love them so much.

    Their whole history has been one of engineering prowess overcoming economic shortfalls. There is a great quote by Alfieri Maserati, IIRC, to the effect that (and I am heavily paraphrasing)....any team with huge resources can put out a winning car, but do do that with limited resources is a true achievement.

    I can just picture the guys working late into the night burning the passion of midnight oil...designing, machining, hammering...making great races cars and then road cars with great personalities.

    I love the fact they are on the stage but just off the center limelight.
    If I bought a Bora, which I hope to one day should the right one come along, I would cherish it and drive it all the time. I intend to drive my 3500GT on a weekly basis. I'd love a Ghibli SS to drive as well.
    If I had a Daytona or any variety of 250s or 330s...not sure how much I would drive them.

    Cars as art...yes...but kinetic art.

    Go Maserati!...one of the greatest automotive marques in the history of the world.

    As long as we know that who gives a crap what "Mr Market" knows?
     
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    Nicely put.

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  24. dadams73

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    Agreed,

    You articulated it well. Nice observation
     
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    It's snowing again outside, we are expecting 10-12"...

    Meanwhile "Marco" rests patiently in the garage, with his battery on trickle-charger and his restored gear shift linkages all lined up on my workbench waiting to be reassembled and reinstalled once a new taper-reamer arrives. The center console is also being thoroughly cleaned and refurbished (ever seen the ashtray housing completely disassembled?).. and I spend the occasional evening mapping out some fresh Adirondack roads for him and me to explore in the coming driving season…

    Until then, here are a couple pix from drives we took last year…

    Best, - Art

    Pics:
    1. Our youngest enthusiast is Simon, just turned 4.
    2. 'Marco's sibling is also a US spec '75 and lives only 10 miles away... with all original yellow paint. For sale, BTW.
    3. A glimpse from a favorite area for spirited driving, the freshly paved sweeping secondary roads in the Schoharie Valley..
    4. Marco cuts a beautiful profile.
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