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CAT O2 Sensor voltage HELP

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  1. TrojanFan

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    I got my 355 back on the road after fiddling with the alternator belt for 2 weeks. I took it for a nice 50 mile test drive today and everything seemed to be fine. I need to drive my car next week from LA to Vegas and get an emission check in Nevada. The last thing I needed was a Check Engine Light which just came on.

    I looked at my code scanner and I got a Bad Cat fault. Never had one before and certainly don't need it the week before an emission check. I reset the codes and it hasn't come back on yet but its only been about 20 minutes. Regardless, I need to be able to pass emissions so that is my concern

    In looking at the O2 sensors, with the car idling around 1,100 rpm, on bank 1, sensor #1 ranges between a low of .09v and a high of .79v while sensor #2 is ranging from .09v to .73v.

    On bank 2, sensor #1 is in the .07v to .76v range while sensor #2 is in a very tight .09v to .12v range.

    Showing this much fluctuation with sensor #2, does it sound like I have a problem with the bank 1 CAT?

    Anyone ever have any luck with either a spacer on the #2 sensor or in cleaning the CAT? I have only a week to get this car in condition for a 300 mile drive and then passing the smog.

    Suggestions?
     
  2. johnk...

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    Which bank does it say the cat is bad. Certainly bank1 sensor 2 should not be following sensor 1. Could be the cat is marginal as I would think it would get up to temp after 50 miles. I'd drop the bank 1 cat and take a look to see if it's breaking up, particularly if it's an OE cat. Any white power on the exhaust tips?
     
  3. SoCal1

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    Bank 2 sensor 2 should be higher .12volts is too low, that will trigger a miss match, out of range etc



    Check connectors. look at the pins closely. I throw a secondary ground on the 02 to see if that helps

    if not swap side to side also to check for a wiring issue

    Go from there

    If its the 02 they are pretty check nowadays


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    I agree that bank 2, sensor 2 voltage looks low, but he said he is getting a bad cat error, not a bank 2 sensor 2 signal error. Anyway, that is why I asked which bank the code is for. So again I ask, which bank is the error for and exactly what is the error code? Without that we are just guessing.
     
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    Best to take the blood pressure before surgery :)
     
  6. TrojanFan

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    Unfortunately I was too quick on my code reader in resetting to see if the code would go away. It did say it was a CAT fault and not an O2 sensor but I'm using Torque program and I don't know how sophisticated that is.

    To answer some of the other questions, no there is no white powder on any of the exhaust tips.

    I know very little about what voltage the sensors should be reading. On Bank 2, Sensor 2, the range is very tight between .07v - .12v. That seems to be very little movement. Shouldn't it be much closer to the .5v range with fluctuation around that? The fault code said CAT but there seems to be a problem with the O2 Sensor reading. Is that a bad cat causing that or could the O2 sensor be faulty? If the sensor was faulty and not the CAT, would I be getting a O2 sensor code fault?

    Should I pull the Bank 2, Sensor 2 have see what it looks like? Maybe bench test it?
    By the way, which side is Bank 2? Left or right?

    If it is the sensor, is it a readily available part - non-dealer item? I see part numbers on the 348 page. Is it the same for the 355? Anyone have a suggestion of a source? I need this cleared up by next weekend or I am screwed.
     
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    So what Tim suggests in post #3
     
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    #8 johnk..., Jan 27, 2014
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    Bosch (OE) O2 sensors are available at Rock Auto. Around $60 for the rear, $80 for the front. Just make sure they have the same Bosch part number as those in your car. But w/o knowing what the code was exactly, it's hard to say what the problem is. I'd get out and drive the car and see if the error reoccurs and then see what it is. To be sure, it looks like you may have 2 problems. The bank 2 sensor 2 voltage level is very low. This could indicate the O2 sensor switch point has shifted meaning the sensor is aging and may be on its last legs. On the other hand, that the Bank 1 sensor 2 is following the same voltage swing as upstream sensor is an indication that the cat efficiency is probably low. That could be because the cat was not up to temperature, or because it's shot.

    You might take SoCal1's and swap side for the rear sensors and see what happens.

    [edit] I just found this http://www.picoauto.com/tutorials/cat-efficiency.html Take a look at the first figure. The upper traces are front (Blue) and rear (red) O2 sensors with a bad cat. Below, green (front) and yellow (rear) are the signals for a good cat.
     
  9. TrojanFan

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    Which side is Bank 1 and Bank 2? Is bank 2 on the left from the rear?

    Since I am getting a low reading range out of the post cat bank 2, does that seem like it is working but cold be other problems or will a faulty post cat sensor display a low voltage range?

    Problem here is that I have 6 days to get this cleared up and I am scheduled to drive it next Tuesday 300 miles for the emission check.
     
  10. SoCal1

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    Yes driver side is bank 2

    Test like I said in post 3 so you can eliminate or verify it its an 02 sensor or something else

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    Trying this tonight. Already ordered a new Bosch OME post CAT O2 sensor online just to save time. If its not the problem then I'll look elsewhere.
     
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    I had same issue 2 years ago I replaced all the 02 sensors. fixed
    Take a good look at the plug connections, maybe get some contact cleaner also while your in there
     
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    #13 SoCal1, Jan 27, 2014
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    Dont forget to warm her up with a good ride to get a good reading

    Here is the drive cycle ready so you can get the ecu set for the emission test
    Follow it EXACTLY, works everytime for me
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  14. TrojanFan

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    Thanks. Im having the emission test done by Wynn Penske Ferrari in Las Vegas. Several members swear by them that they can make it pass as long as there are no prohibitive faults. I'll try the procedure but no telling if they will have the car sit before testing or what they do but I spoke with the service manager and he seemed optimistic.

    As for the sensor problems, I pulled out both of the O2 post cat sensors, wiped them off with a paper towel (one had some white dust) and switched their locations. I then had the car running for about 15 minutes to heat up and now both sides seem to be reading OK. Both post cat sensors are now in the .12V to about .73v range but seem to hover more in the .15 - .53 range. Pre-cats are between .09v - 1.0v.

    Someone please confirm but they seem to be working now? Could it be as simple as wiping them down?

    On a related question, is the actual cat sensor prone to failure (the one next to the post cat). I removed them to have better access to the O2 sensor and wiped them with a towel as well. One of them seems to have stripped threads and may be allowing a slight amount of blow by. Will this cause any problems? The stripped threads look to be on the cat plug side not on the sensor.

    At the moment, I have had not faults since the reset but the car has only run for about 1/2 hour with maybe 3 starts. What I am getting now is a "pending Code P1115" Power train. Anyone know what can cause that?
     
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    If you just reset the car you have to drive the car for about 100km to see if pending code will reset.In driving the car shut it off and re start every 10km .
     
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    Do you have OE cats? That white power could be a sign that the ceramic core in the cat is breaking up.

    A pending code indicates that a fault was sensed but problem when away. If it does not occur with in a certian amount of time the pending code will be deleted. Check with your emissions center to see if you state passes cars with pending codes. This particualr code may have been set as a result of disconnecting the O2 sensors.

    But you are going to have to put some miles on the car to see if the CEL comes back on.
     
  17. SoCal1

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    I dont like the powder thingy that may be a cat "starting" to break up (would need to see it in person and test the powder to see if its ceramic.

    You really need to clear the pending code and do the drive cycle I posted to get everything "synced"
    P1115 = O2 sensor heater circuit bank 1, sensor 1
    Of you swapped the suspect bad sensor to the driver side its now saying its bad

    Maybe clear the code and do that drive cycle I posted before you get the new 02 sensor
    If you still get code P1115 then its the 02 thats bad

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    HOWEVER , I would consider cats after you pass emissions, you really dont want them to break up ans spit stuff out the tailpipe especially if I'm driving behind you.
    They tend to rattle when cold when they are really breaking up.


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  18. TrojanFan

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    Sounds like I should just replace all 4 sensors and have the cats looked at. The sensor that I just ordered is one of the post cat ones and if code 1115 is correct, its pending for a pre cat sensor, both of which seem to be working. Regardless I don't have the time to get them and replace before I have to go to Vegas next Tuesday. Hopefully the "pending" code will not turn into a fault by then.
     

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