Wally, Here are some of the answers you were looking for: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/140765430-post544.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/140724051-post516.html There was a poster who explained the exception rules for low production volume cars and how he dealt with them while working for a British auto manufacturer. But I couldn't find it. D
While sorting my roomfull of paper I briefly saw the Italian Car magazine (that's the title of the magazine) with the gold Mangusta prototype (sunroof, deep dish wheels, black Comp gas cap, blacked out trim) that is now a running car. But when I was over in Italy during one trip in the 1980s, I went to the DeTomaso factory and it was at the top of a mound of trash and itself filled with trash and I noticed it had a painted on dashboard, not real instruments, under plexiglass. So I doubt if it was a running car back then. So this is a question more for concours judges in case that car ever gets over here to an event like Pebble Beach. But I am sure there is an opinion among those showing Mangustas at concours. If the factory put it on a production Mangusta chassis, is it considered still the prototype or more strictly just the prototype chassis even if it is on a real Mangusta chassis? To me this out-of-time-sequence retrofitting of the body to the chassis is not the same as if the original prototype had been equipped with an engine and tearbox and suspension, wiring, fuel system, brakes, etc. even if they were not fully operable. I can give the example of the Pinin show car which had an engine for the auto show but wasn't really drivable. I think the fellows that restored it spent between $500K and $1 million to finish the work to make it a running car. What is the name of the person who bought the body and had it made into a running car? If I could find the magazine I would know that but I am processing a roomfull of paper and glimpse things only for seconds before they disappear into the pile...
It has some of the characteristics of the Don Vordermann car, such as the bulbous two color front turn signals. I can't read the license plate, it looks like AH1 like I remember the cover car on SPG but there apears to be an "D" in front of "AH" and Mr. Haskell's first name was not David. At any rate, I can see by the message posted from Vordermann that there is a possiblility the car he sold back to DeTomaso was then brought to Hollywood Sports Cars for showing. Here's some background on Mr. Haskell "Brothers-in-law as well as business associates the two were returning from a business trip in Canada when their twin-engine plane crashed in Elizabeth, N.J. Haskell, age 42, was vice-president and secreatary of Rowan Industries, Inc., a multi-market international industrial firm, with subsidiaries in the United States,Canada, South America and Europe. He was the son of the late Armoy (sic) L. Haskell and the late Annette Tilford Haskell. Born in New York City, Haskell was a director of the First National bank, Asbury Park, N. J. and the Monmouth Park Jockey Club. He is survived by his widow, Helen Talley Haskell, two sons, Amory L. Haskell III, 13, and MacDonald Tilford Haskell, age 12, and his four sisters, Isabelle Haskell Detomaso, Anne Haskell Ellis, Hope Haskell Jones and Margret Ross. Ellis, age 47, was president of Rowan Industries. Prior to joining Rowan he was exectuve vice-president of Arrow-Hart and Hegeman Electric Company of Hartford, Conn.
Those are the pics of Don Vorderman car, there are no other on record with the full length rear bumper also note the Italian flag decal I the right rear glass just like the magasine cover BTW Wally, you writing a book and having me do all the research?
I now have the article from Italian Car magazine by Maurizio Thiebat in front of me. Here's what makes the car the prototype: -rear valance panel has 12 vertical slots covering where transaxle is Taillights are hand made looking, wider htan original, 3 color -rear bumper all one piece -front turn signal indicator is thin horizontal , all orange -Headlights are exposed and fixed in place but I think at one point previously they were covered with see through plexiglass. -door push button is chrome but pop open monza quick fill cap cut into bottom of side roof gills is flat black as is word Mangusta on side, accompanied by Ghia emblem. -rear 3/4 window pops open (I don't know if it does on regular Mangusta), hinged in back -wheels have extra little ridge in the center of each spoke. -Looks like non removable glass roof panel full width Rear hatches-hinge ou outside. -This car has 289 engine -Steering wheel is all leather covered not the wood plus leather of stock Mangusta -Instruments in the car in the story are all working gauges, three small ones on the left, two large ones (300 kp[h speedometer and tach redline at 6200 rpm then three more small gauges. -In the engine compartment there is a flat 1 inch thick bar of steel, perforated every 3 inches or so with holes covering the wheel well shield. -Gas cap stays where it is when you open hatch, it's a poke through" The article makes no mention that it is the first prototype or that it was put on a chassis long after Mangusta production has ended. I am curious to know when this body was mated to a production chassis, what the SN is, and for what customer? Has the car I described shown up at any concours in recent years? It is what I would call a dark metalllic gold, with black leather upholstery. Wheels are painted silver.
Greetings to all. I recently corresponded with Doug Blair, one of the co-authors of upcoming book on Mangusta to be published by Eau Rouge Publishing, and he wrote as follows: "We're looking at the autumn [publication date in 2014] - we are currently doing some photo shoots in Europe and waiting to nail down some people to do interviews with, which will be crucial to the book. Thanks for your patience - unfortunately these things take a lot of time and resources, but we're nearly there! The cost will be around 80-90 UK pounds [$130-150 USD as of 2/2014]." Regards, Doug
+1 While the styling is somewhat unusual, in person the details are beautiful. Strikingly different (and much nicer) to the converted late Mangusta spyder that has been for sale in Europe for a while. Mark
Hi everyone! Slow and steady progress on 1300, I'm now trying to verify the original colour scheme before I take her off the road and repaint. I've contacted Roland Jaeckel but he has no information. I've also emailed RS Corse but no response. I'd be grateful for any suggestions or leads. Cheers James Image Unavailable, Please Login
Friend sent me this shot of his car lamenting the lack of Spring weather here in the frozen hinterland called Michigan😥 Only Chevy powered Mangusta on the planet Image Unavailable, Please Login
i don't remember,but I'll ask him. GM engineering did the conversion IIRC and I believe it's a small block there is a story coming soon on the car
Thia car was not a conversion, it was specifically ordered by Bill Mitchell while VP at GM. A 327 was sent to DeT and fitted in the car. Somehow the carb disappeared so it wasn't driven till it got back to Detroit. Mitchell could not fit in the car and sold it. Dick has had it since, he has upgraded to motor to 350COPO and made some sympathetic upgrades. Bill is a retired GM car designer.
thank you,that's correct I believe you meant Dick is a retired GM Designer,not Bill who is no longer with us Dick has owned the car since GM sold it to him many years ago and has been the only owner and yes Bill Mitchell ordered the replacement engine,but i had forgotten who actually did the work Dick keeps promising there is an article due for his car.....but we're all still waiting
Different times, in a way it was a crazy move by De Tomaso being with Ford and giving your competition a test model with their engine installed ready to go!
John thanks for the correction. Typo on my part There was no real affiliation between Ford and DeT until the Pantera. The Valleneunga happens to have Cortina motors and VW transmissions (with Hewland gears). The P70 Sport5000 was a project started with Pete Brock and that may have been the reason the project born from it had a Ford motor. DeTomaso was looking to grow and Mitchell put in a request.
....with a friends Bora. Interesting comparison and Giugiaro family resemblance. Image Unavailable, Please Login
