What the Cal T says about the 458 replacement

Given Ferrari's record, the replacement will have better performance and will look awesome. We will end up spending more money switching to the new car...lol Turbo or not, I think most of us will love it, because love is blind!

 

+1. Right on the money!

 

California T proofs that cars with turbocharged engines with smaller displacement are not lighter ( or they are lighter only five kilos), so you should not expect that 458 replacment will be lighter than 458

 

I think your conclusions will turn out to be on point, Mayor. I hope that the 458 replacement's styling will only be a refresh like the new California. That way I can be happy holding onto my 14 458 Spider longer. The California looks only very slightly different than the predecessor model to me. If I owned a 2014 or earlier California I wouldn't even be upset about the new body style. It still looks the same to me other than a few styling updates.

 

Agreed Mr. Mayor but I think thats not only from the Cali T. Thats your knowing the historic patterns and then making smart inferences.

I think the Cali T just shows us the likely motor direction.

I think CF will be decoration until the model after the 458 successor. That is the model that gets the revolutionary design etc. The 458 successor will be an evolutionary design.

With that kind of power and torque, its going to put the F12 under pressure in terms of power: weight ratio and simply the sensation of acceleration. Perhaps we will see the V12s forgo turbos in favor of some kind of KERS and maybe we will see a kind of special F12 version with this system which would make its way into the eventual F12 successor???

 

348/355
360M/F430
Cali/Cali T

458 Ιtalia/478-488-480 Emilia.?

so Mayor is right...

 

Mayor-> I think you're right on this. But I would also expect improvements in human-machine interface like they've done on the California T and probably Ferrari Telematics and front camera as options. There's clearly a front camera on the California T.

 

Turbo charging adds a lot of weight, the components are very heavy..........cast iron exhaust manifold, the turbo itself, intercoolers, thicker cylinder block and liners, extra plumbings and bigger radiator to take the extra heat.

Decreases displacement remove very little weight from the engine itself, even if you reduces the cylinder count, it doesn't get lighter. Look at the new BMW M4, the new twin turbo Inline-6 is the same weight as the old NA V8.

 

I'm sure the 458 replacement will initialize Ferrari's "next generation" product family, it will be a radical new car.

My thoughts behind this statement.

With the Cali T I see a kind of finalization of the current product generation. I miss real innovations. Single step into the future is the new engine (also not really new, it comes from Maserati). IMO it's a kind of trial run for the next V8 generation under the Ferrari label. Therefore it seems to be absolute clear that the 458 replacement will use this engine in a further expansion stage (650 hp in the min).

The 458 has initiated the current Ferrari design language, with the Cali T is now the entire product range on this language. I would say it's getting time for a completely new design (I don't need the "Huracan-effect"), the 458 replacement will make the first radical design move.

Regarding the body construction; I expect a carbon chassis. I allow myself to say, after the 4C this step is required, it's a must.

Then I expect a huge "computerization" of all relevant technological components. We will be able to choose different engine characteristics, different chassis adjustments, a more advanced e-differential system, adjustable brake balance, adjustability steering characteristics, more driving programs via the Manettino etc. etc.. The 458 replacement will be a complex "computer system" only with one target: highest performance for all different drivers styles and needs.

IMO the Cali T is the completion of a product generation and shows how it will NOT go on.

 

Respectfully, I don't think any of that, bar the turbo engine and the stellar performance, will materialise. Aluminium contruction is my bet.

 

We are all speculating (although I vaguely recall LDM or some exec saying no carbon tub on 458 replacement. Fwiw, I would be shocked if they do a clean sheet replacement. From a financial point of view they need to continue to get ~10 years out of a chassis...just like all of the recent v8 mid life updates. The carbon tub, "if" it comes would be in 2020 with the next clean sheet mid engine v8 sports car.

 

I agree with the Mayor, no carbon tub on the 458 replacement - but I would expect it on the NEXT car after that. Styling not so sure about.

 

The Mayor has it right, I think. But let us wait to see the tests and driver's reports of the T engine before declaring turbo victory. And don't forget that a TT 458 engine is a much tougher challenge than the California. The Cali peak horsepower occurs at only 7500 RPM, a far cry from the 9000 RPM of the 458.

As for the styling refresh, I think the Mayor is right -- it will be a refresh. Whether it will be improved is another matter. So far, I think we can say that Ferrari Stile Centro has one for two in the refresh department: the California is improved but the Speciale is not.

 

I hope you are right.

 

So the power war is just in the begining. We will have 700hp from entry level supercars.

A great thing will be if ferrari would translate the turbo -electric engine from f1 to road. Lets say a 620hp 3liter turbo v6 with a 100hp electric engine on a "compact laferrari"

But the future is nor fot brain is for soul. Not for pure hp and torque but for style and feelings.

 

Man... I can't believe the 458 is "old" already... time flies and I'm getting old now...

 

Think about; from a technical point of view the 458 is an evolutionary enhancement of the 430: same construction and production principles, same materials, same engine (F136xx), nothing fundamental has been renewed. More or less just only visual changes were made (design language, the dashboard and the operating logic was new). Ok, the gearbox was also new, but this is a purchased component without a bigger impact for the production costs. Finally; the 458 is cheap to produce on (since a loooooooong time) proven production processes, like the 430, the 360, the 355...

IMO It's time for a "big step", it's time for a real new generation.

 

The dash Cali T pic shows the redline below 9K rpm and likely at 8K rpm. Not far from the peak hp at 7500. I would expect a 458 successor to have greater range so a 9K red line seems most likely. Looking forward to see how the overall responsiveness of the new Cali engine will be...

SV

 

^This. Same boat as you. I owned a 2010 California previously. I would not trade my 2010 for Cali T with a price delta of 100K. I did trade the 2010 for a 2014 Spider with a price delta of 130K.

 

Actually the F430 is an evolution of the 360. The 458 is a newer platform. Ferrari V8s come in pairs:
308-328
345-355
360-430
458-

 

Yep, my words, the 458 a newer plattform and not a new platform.

 

oh, please excuse my bad spelling, I've seen it just now: "the 458 is a newer platform and not a new platform".