Which model be the next classic model?

cs, 599gto, 355 spider stick, 360 spider stick, 430 spider stick, 16m. none of the "special" models such as sessanta, barchetta, superamerica, aperta, etc. none of the "production" models such as scuderia, speciale, etc

i am only referring to modern classics. no view on anything before that

 

Not sure about SA (too many problems with that roof) but disagree about Barchetta and market is already reflecting this.

 

Choo Choo! You're on the train and it's left. They'll be $200k soon. See what this 365 BB with 'patina' went for:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/433880-1974-ferrari-365-gt4-berlinetta-boxer-2.html

 

Nothing with four seats, that is for sure.

Still not sure what is considered a "classic" today, but if the 328GTB isn't a classic it will be soon. Crazy to think but a perfect, low-mileage GTB would likely be a straight trade for a similar 360. As much as I like the older car I now which one I would rather have.

Among 12-cylinder, I would already call the BB series classics. TR is polarizing and maintenance-intensive. Therefore I will nominate the 550 Maranello, with the convertible Barchetta being a no-brainer. They are modern-day Daytonas.

 

I wouldn't be so sure, gtc/4's are in the 200's. I remember in college thinking 'well, I won't be able to afford a 355, but maybe a gtc/4' as they were only in the mid 30's back then. Now I have the 355 and can't come close to affording a gtc/4.

I could see the allure of the carb'd 365gt4 2+2, with the boxers taking off and gtc/4's in the 200's, they could be next. The last affordable carb'd v12...And fairly rare.

 

+1

 

355's do have poor reliability and build quality. One of the best looking and sounding cars ever made but..................

 

599 GTO

Barchetta/Superamerica stick/Aperta

CS/Scud/16M - Ferrari's GT3 RS

Serie Fiorano stick

 

+1 I like your thinking Pete, I have seen asking prices for the GTC rise by 250% in 5 years!!

I think all the "lightweight specials" (CS, Scud, 16M, Speciale) will see increases in the future

Really??...haven't seen that myself

Agree wholeheartedly, I think the 430 6spd is a real sleeper, but it will take some time to see anything happen re appreciation

 

everybody here seems to agree that the 512tr will outperform the Testarossa due to lower production numbers and better driving experience. But is it really going to be like that?

There's a whole generation of kids that grew up dreaming about the Testarossa.
No kid ever said that they wanted a 512tr.... it was the Testarossa that those kids were dreaming about. The Testarossa has an almost mythical aura centered around its name... ask anybody what is a Testarossa and they'll know the answer... try asking someone what is a 512tr and most people will not have even heard of it.

What drives up prices is not just production numbers, but its the ratio between production and demand for that particular model.
As the 512tr is not a Testarossa, and no kid ever grew up dreaming of a 512tr, I believe that in the long term the lower production of the 512tr will be meaningless, as the Testarossa will have much higher demand.


Also in ten or twenty years will it really matter that the 512tr has a slightly less vague handling, and slightly less crappy brakes compared to the Testarossa? Afterall they will both be utter crap compared to modern supercars.
People might even end up preferring to drive the Testarossa due to its analogue more classic experience.


So do you still think that the 512tr will be more desirable than the Testarossa?
Personally I believe it's going to be the opposite

 

Yes, I was one of those kids with a TR on my wall, but when the 512TR came out that was what I wanted (still do). I'd hands down take a 512TR over a regular TR, especially the later 5 lug ones. It's better looking, nicer interior and with vastly improved performance. If the TR was going to pass the 512TR, it would have started to do it by now (see 365 BB vs. 512BB, the 365 BB has been worth more for a long time already).

 

As far as the interior is concerned, today it does appear more modern and practical. It looks like the one of most ferraris from the 90s
However the Testarossa was the quintessential symbol of the 80s. Is a 1990s curvy interior really in style with the rest of the car? Or is the boxy 80s interior more coherent with the overall design?
What will collectors be looking for when they'll want to add a flat 12 to their collection? How often are those cars driven? Will more comfortable interior or better performance really matter for cars that will not get driven more than a couple of time per year?

Testarossa values haven't yet surpassed the 512tr values because for the time being they are just old cars…. many 512 are not even 20 years old. It will take a few more years before they appear on the radar of classic car collectors, and 80s kids are just now barely starting to reach the age for a midlife crisis purchase.

For now the Testarossa is just an old unloved Ferrari… but its time will come. You just need to wait until the day when those cars (as its the case with most classic Ferraris) will no longer be bought for the purpose of being driven.

 

512TR already is picking up the steam,up almost 30% within the last 0.5 year,regular TR is still way behind.....

 

Im with Scalper on the pool of perspective buyers. The TR had a huge marketing blitz and with TV shows like Miami Vice only helping to ingrain a want. With 512TR prices rising it will drag the TR north. Not like the BB but slowly upward.

There is quite a jump in price between a no stories TR and like 512TR. Thus the TR is a quality candidate.

Any perceived inheritance maintenance issues are way overblown and or easily rectified. The TR is a very reliable car IF maintained properly. And it doesnt take much time or money to keep it running. A member here who just bout a Sandy Flood TR for a song and a dance. Put some elbow grease and time into it. Now he has a great daily driver with little out of pocket cash.

Pros:
- Flat Twelve
- Easy to work on
- Few ECU's
- Over the top styling (debatable to some)
- Enzo era car
- Reliable
- Parts / systems were scavenged from other auto makes. IE good supply pool.

I also thing the Mondial is undervalued.

 

I believe 355 and CS will be a classic. There is the 348 GT Competizione of course...

 

I think the testarossas will increase in value over the next 1-2 decades, especially the early high mirrors and the later 512s. I grew up in the 80s-90s and there was one car that all my friends had posters of on their wall and it was the testarossa. As this cohort ages and are able to buy that "dream car" of their youth this will be it. Supply is decreasing and demand will go up. I would bet that most people from the testarossa era will be looking for their testarossa in the next 10-15 years.

Based on the same sort of idea I think the 308/328 will hit its stride a little sooner. My older brother got a 328, when his friends see it they all say it reminds them of their childhood and they still want that car from Magnum. When most Americans see a 512bb they wonder what it is or mistake it for a 308/328. I would guess that most 512s are owned by Ferrari people, but the will have value due to low production numbers.

 

The collector market will likely implode when the current generation of baby boomers, who are causing the current increase in prices, die off and / or stop buying.

The upcoming couple of generations are smaller in number, less wealthy, and have other interests.

I advise speculators to actually use and drive your Ferrari, not polish it while waiting for a monster payday that will probably never arrive during your lifetime.

 

Good points. This also applies to the housing market.

 

With the 3x8s I'd love to see the GT4 move up faster-they seem to be moving with the carb'd 308s but not as fast as the 328 gtbs

 

you would not necessarily be right. look at the differences between e types, aston db's, 911's....yes people do actually care and it affects prices within those models.

 

There are some good comments here.
As for the testarossa, look at the countach series
The later cars were much better yet better does not equate
The early low boy and periscopo have gone through the roof
The original design is always more valuable
In time all tr's will go up way up
When the market is dry for affordable collector cars
Thats when early tr models will start going through restorations and then be worth the cost of a body off resto.
When enough body off restos are done and come to market things will change
Then as a whole the entire line will appreciate.
This is the scenario that just happened with the e type and now the dino
In the mean time great condition early and late tr's will inch their way to
Immortality.

 

Don't know if been said and know it's too early but was looking at the 458 spider and it hit me. The 458 will be a fantastic classic ferrari down the line. Racing pedigree and looks, it has it all. A good investment IMO.

 

The 360 and 430 are great cars but the 458 is the best looking v8 put out since the 355-and mechanically it's better than all of them. And the Daytona 24 win...

 

If you live long enough.....maybe

 

If it hasn't already been mentioned, the 75 US F512 Ms that came to the US will continue to rise in value. I imagine value will soar, and it won't be more than a year or 18 months before we see quarter million dollar asking prices.