Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Yes, really. Especially if you often find yourself clearing obstacles by only 5cm...

I have driven in the US quite extensively too, and I can understand with 5cm seem like a small difference over there. In many places in Europe (whether parking lots or tight roads), however, this can be felt.

 

Yeah I don't think the 5cm makes one car undriveable and the other car svelte, but it's more like difficult to park vs slightly more difficult to park.

Also the Enzo, Zonda are wider.

 

I don't think you will bump into much LaFerrari's in parkinglots. Perhaps in Monte Carlo things are different, but surely, everywhere else 5 centimeters more width won't pose any problem whatsoever.

 

sorry my post was confusing. to be clear i have not been offered anything other than msrp for the 918. I am just waiting and seeing as I don't feel a sense of urgency on this and I am trying to be responsible. Already got one big car toy brewing for this year (the singer 911) ..

 

Both cars are big but the increase in dimensions on the LaF is going to be very obvious. To put this in context let's compare it against something that everyone is familiar with: a F430.
Its length is 177.6 in and width is 75.7 in.

The LaF is 7.5 in longer and 2.7 in wider. That is a considerable difference in footprint between the two cars.

 

super I agree, I'm waiting a year or so to see how the 918 market pans out before deciding if/when to add one to my garage. As long as new ones are available the depreciation hit on used ones with miles may be quite severe, enough to justify a CGT instead and circle back for a 918 later. Still its an amazing car aside from that fact.

 

I agree. A year ago I would not have considered the 918 because the price gap between the CGT and the 918 was immense. CGT's seem to have risen significantly to close the gap in the past year. If CGT's continue to rise to reasonably support the base price of a 918 then I am going to start looking for a 918 too.

 

That's been my thinking for the 918 as well.

 

918 will depreciate so long as they aren't sold out. Same thing happened to CGT and Bugatti. Expensive, halo cars with more supply than demand.

It also doesn't help that anyone with $1m to spend wouldnt want someone else's spec. Too much money and no reason to settle for anything less that your ideal car.

Cgt prices have risen, but not as much as people think. The expensive cars are low mileage examples. The cheap cars from a year or two ago aren't anywhere near the low mileage ones.

918 won't approach cgt price levels simply due to the much higher msrp. If they produce an equal amount of 918s, I think they will trade around 700k eventually.

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^All good points, I'll also add that I think the supply of no-stories cars will inevitably be higher as a % of total production for the same time-period out once the final cars are sold, because 918 appears to be a much easier car to drive on the limit than the Carrera GT.

 

First drive: 2013 McLaren P1 | Driving

 

They are Veblen goods. They are supposed to flip the Law of Demand on its head. Perhaps Porsche should've considered pricing the car at $2M instead.

 

We covered this article - it was posted previously in the thread:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142971555-post7245.html

Writer may not have had the ride of his life, but he also incorrectly explains how the P1s systems actually function. So far his report is a complete outlier against all the other reviews to have been published so it is a bit perplexing how/why he got it so wrong.

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Reading through the article again, it is as if he has deciphered the product literature completely backwards, or maybe during his experience with the car he was led to believe that only by use of the 'IPAS' button could he take advantage of the full power supplied by the batteries in addition to the ICE, but that's hardly the case.

The 'Boost' option allows the driver to mandate where the added electric torque is supplied via the 'IPAS' button on the wheel, but without that Boost setting enabled you can still harness this torque through the pedal as the throttle maps for your Powertrain Mode seem fit to apply it for the given engine RPM/wheel speed, state of charge, and so forth. There can be limitations based on extreme battery or electric motor temperatures, but generally speaking there is never a limit to vehicle power.

This outtake from the Owner's Manual makes that quite clear, coming after a similarly brief overview of the power available in E-Mode.

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You mean he is wrong because he isn't all that impressed with the P1?

 

People can like whatever they want, but factually he's off base. You have to ask if he failed to like it simply because he didn't properly understand it?

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He drove the car and he wasn't impressed by it. What has 'understanding' the car has to do with it? Besides, if you need to 'understand' the car to be able to properly enjoy it, than that's perhaps the thing that is wrong with it.

I think it would be best to just accept that the P1 will not be to everyone's liking without questioning anything about that particular opinion.

 

Steve Sutcliffe didn't properly understand it, actually believing that the P1 generated up to 5G's around corners as well as completely destroying the suspension on the one he drove. Pretty sure he also thought all 903bhp was available in electric mode...

But that doesn't matter because he said he liked it?

 

Marnix - the basis for him not liking the car - the whole reason he took issue with Clarkson was based on false theory. That has to be considered when weighing his impressions.

John - Steve's article was not impressive and his video review that followed was even worse. He was still right about that Nurburgring time though.

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If anything it's more reason to believe that there's no truth to it.

 

You are free to cling to every shred of doubt you can find or imagine.

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can someone point me to the story about Sutcliffe wrecking the p1?

 

i think you're wrong in your reading.

i think he was very impressed with the car. in fact, i think thats one of the most flattering and impressive reviews of the car yet. balanced, poised and drama free speed.

unlike ferrari f12 is such a complement. he's right too about the f12. it is overpowered for its chassis.

got me pumped up. glorious.

 

"The Special One" is coming...
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People believe what they want to believe.

At the end no one will go wrong owning anyone of them.

IMHO I still believe the P1 can't be mached on tacks simply because its deigned to do so and straight line performance the laferrari is the only challenger.

I could be wrong but owning Mclaren's so far they delivery way more than they promise.

And if I buy cars based on magazines review then I would've owned a viper because since Gen2 it hardly won any.

But I still buy vipers because I listen to what I want and like and I don't care if this guy or that magazine hates it its not my problem.

Point is we talking about 3 amazing manufacturers here and honestly they all look beautiful.

And since I missed the Laferrari I'm glad something coming up for us