Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Surely another MC-12 type car to enable Ferrari to sell another hundred or so examples.

 

It sounds like you're the one not impressed. The author was impressed with the P1.

 

I think the article was poorly written, which is a shame when its your job to write articles, that he chose to write something so vague.

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see that he wasn't impressed. What he said was he wasn't 'intimidated'. That could also mean the car was not scary or it was easy to drive, which is a good thing. Still, vague. He also said he was 'non-plussed', which isn't even a word. I'm guessing that means he wasn't impressed but when I read a review I don't like to have to do a lot of guessing.

In either case I could care less, because as soon as he said it felt like a 12c with a few extra ponies I knew he didn't have a clue. Anyone that's driven both with half a brain knows better than that. Maybe he should stick to reviewing ATVs.

IMO Chris Harris' review is the most accurate and informative. That'll have to do until we reviews from actual owners.

 

Yeah I agree, poorly written. It seems like he might be trying to pay the P1 a compliment but the writer's being overhyped by Clarkson's review seemed to be the focus of the article. If all he does is ride the coattails of Jeremy Clarkson then perhaps it's not worth reading. More of a blog post with some thoughts than a real review.

Chris Harris is excellent. I don't always agree with him or appreciate all of his style but he's excellent.

 

Regarding the David Booth review: I got the feeling he enjoyed the P1 very much, but tried to be a bit cute in snarking on Clarkson's comments along with complimenting the car. The result was a bit of a muddled message.
The tone of his comments underplayed the performance of the P1 as much as Clarkson's overplayed it.

I got the feeling he gave the car very high marks for delivering astonishing speed with little to no real drama from the tires and chassis.

Not the best review of a car I've ever read, but I'm sure I got the gist of it accurately.

 

agreed

 

It was only relayed in Tweets by other journalists who were present at the track. They are quoted in this thread if you really care to see and blame was placed on his loss of control and impact with a high curb in one section of the track. I know another individual who was there to drive the car and he mentioned the damage to it was minor enough that the car was still driven in the afternoon and used for photos after the fact - it did result in an alignment issue that precluded continued high speed running though.

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ER

 

Speaking of respected journalists - Andrew Frankel was in the car today at Dunsfold and had this to say via Twitter:

"Trying to marshal thoughts after driving P1. Failing so far. Going out for another run. Back (not too) soon."

He followed that up with this one:

"Strongest feeling after my afternoon in the P1? How much my neck hurts. Always a good sign."

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sounds like it was far from 'wrecked' then

 

When tracking straight the steering wheel was slightly off center by ~10° - there was zero body damage.

>8^)
ER

 

We're not all as gullible as you

 

When something is irreparably damaged I consider it wrecked.

Steve Sutcliffe "wrecked" the P1's suspension.

 

I have a long history of being very cautious in what I identify as fact. I can assure you it was no different in this case.

Cast all the aspersions you want at my credibility, knowledge or some perceived naivete if that makes you feel better, but at the end of it all you and the small crowd of doubters are simply in the wrong.

>8^)
ER

 

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

" irreparably: Impossible to repair, rectify, or amend "

I could swear I saw EVO driving that exact same car a week or two later in Abu Dhabi. Must have been divine intervention or something.

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ER

 

I didn't read the article. I was parafrasing Peleton who described it as the author 'may not have had the ride of his life' and went on defending the P1 by stating the author misunderstood the car. My point is that the P1, or any other car for that matter, don't need defending. They are what they are and everybody is entitled to their opinion.

 

This thread is not about the F12, but this is total BS.

 

First, I am biased. I don't need to be objective about this. I can't stand McLaren as a company (allthough I have to admit the F1 is still the topdog in Supercar land) and I find the P1 ridiculously ugly. Especially in bright colors.

Second, I will never, ever find myself behind the wheel of a P1. So I will never, ever be in the position to form my opinion about it's performance. How could I ever be impressed?

 

Erik, based on your description, the "boost" mode and associated IPAS button are a gimmick. In what kind of condition would the human judgement be as fast and smart as the computer when engaging electric assist?

 

You're not far off on your impression - this is what Chris Harris had to say:

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ER

 

Here is another raving report of McLaren's P1 by Auto Journalist Matt Davis - Motoramic. sorry if this has been posted previously.


http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/driving-the-mclaren-p1--the-world-s-best-supercar-—-porsches-included-192228539.html

 

i am sure you know from experience, correct?

 

"The dynamics of the P1 are simply from a parallel universe. Yes, this driver is a hardcore pro, but this car, the P1, is meeting him excellent move forexcellent move, and the effect is downright intoxicating when they come together. I so want one of these cars with my riches earned as an auto journalist."


let's see how the reviews are for LaFerrari....is that car even out yet??

does anyone know?? or is it really just a fiber glass body on a 458 chassis with a battery pack???

 

All the reports from Abu Dhabi that day stated that the McLaren suspension was damaged and, upon inspection, could not be repaired.

No one said that Steve wrecked the car - he just wrecked the suspension. The suspensions components that he wrecked were irreparable, but not irreplaceable.

Understand?

 

That's rich coming from a guy who spent $1M+ on a souped up 12C

 

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