612- searching for the right one

I'm curious - does the OTO car weigh substantially more than the 1st gen 612?

The dual-clutch has to weigh more. And the sun roof and other options have to increase the weight as well.

One has to wonder if the faster shift times are worth the extra weight.

 

No, actually, the flywheel on the dual plate clutch is much smaller than on the single plate clutch and so are the clutch plates, so weight is probably about the same or even less since the flywheel is a pretty big lump. On a 4000 lb V12 with 434 lb-ft of torque, a little extra weight would hardly be noticeable, regardless of where it was.

Ferrari claimed 4156 lbs for an 06 MY F1 612, and 4167 lbs for a 10 MY OTO, which were all F1. I can gain or lose that much weight in a week.

 

Ricardo- None of the 612s have a DCT, the first Ferrari with a DCT (wet clutch packs) was the California.

Only the OTO and the Sessanta (60 built in 07) have the 599 features, including the twin plate clutch and manettino.

Early US 2008s had the F133H engine, but CCM brakes were still optional and did not become standard until the OTO came out in Spring 2008. See the window sticker below that shows optional CCMs on an 08 612 that is pre-OTO.

I need to start using twin plate clutch so people do not confuse it with DCT.
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Good information.

However, I feel the CCM brakes are over-kill on the 612, unless you really plan on tracking it. And, I doubt many 612s see the track. Nothing wrong with that, as I like the front-engine car dynamics for the road anyway. You want track - get the F430 instead.

The standard brakes are excellent, which is why the HGTS model (as opposed to HGTC) was the right price point for me.

 

The CCM brakes are a big improvement in braking on any Ferrari, the only drawback is the cost, especially if someone drives enough to require replacing the rotors. No brake dust, either.

 

Is it true though that driving on gravel or rough surfaces becomes a huge risk, possibility of chipping the rotors? They also a I understand it need to heat up to be fully effective? All that concerns me.

 

The heat issue is really a non issue on the street - on the track you can drag the brakes a little and they heat up fairly quickly - I have had 3 Ferraris with CCMs and no problems - you don't feel a lack of braking power because of lack of heat on the street

 

Also, the ccm rotors last a long time - I have never replaced them on my Scud and have tracked a lot - since the winter of 2008-09 - they still have over 70% remaining and the car has been driven by well know pros on hot laps - and you know how they love to show off in someone else's car. I could be wrong and I'm sure someone will point it out if I am but I think this whole issue of ccm ware on a street car is a non issue - unless hammered continuously on the track

 

A "dual plate F1 clutch" is not the same as a "double clutch transmission" aka DCT. Be careful not to mix the two up. Someone more qualified than me (not hard to find!) will explain the differences...

Asaik, DCT started with the Cali and 458 and now FF and F12. The F1 automated manual transmissions were in the earlier cars, in differing configurations, topped by the superfast 2 in the 599 (and perhaps a few others like maybe 612 oto and 430 scuderia)...but again, a more knowledgable person will come along and set us straight...


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Yes and no. In normal conditions heat ( or rather cold rotors ) are not an issue, however when I drove my newly bought 612 in October from Italy through Switzerland with quite cold temperatures I came through a tunnel with a wet street surface. Haven't used the brakes for a while I had to stop hard as a traffic jam occurred and I almost got a heard attack as there were no instant reaction at first, only the second attempt stopped the car immediately.

This was a wake up call for me regarding CCM brakes, however after two years of driving I don't want to miss those brakes. You can really do things which you cannot do with steel rotors, not only on a track but also on mountain roads e.g. in the Alps. Just make sure to look into your rear view mirror as the car behind you might not be able to break as hard as you can...

Not to say about always fairly clean wheels.
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Stefan, I noticed that your tire has the "P ZERO" in red. I like the look of that. Is that the way Euro tires come, or something you did yourself?

 

The old P Zero Rossos came with a red P Zero, looks like the new P Zeros do, too.

 

Seems so, never noticed.

 

My car has steel brakes. I've driven a 612 with CCM. I would buy a car with CCM if I had the opportunity again. The stopping power is noticeably improved when stopping from higher speeds.

However, at this point I don't believe the CCM cost is worth it to do a retrofit. The steel brakes are fine.

 

I love my CCM brakes. The lack of brake dust is very nice, and if you ever do track the car, you will really appreciate them. And, the fact is, the 612 is a lot of fun on the track.

I, personally, would like to do one of those airport runway things, and while I'm sure the standard brakes would be fine for that, I think I'd be more comfortable with the CCM brakes...

 

The 612 steel brakes were a big upgrade over the 575M brakes, with 345 mm F and 330 mm R rotors (330&310 575M), but the 380 mm F and 360 mm R CCMs with 6 piston calipers up front are a big step up in braking power.

 

Look for leaks, broken window switches, broken reverse lever, unusual wear on clutch, problems with LCD display on dash, dash leather pulling away from window screen - same for leather adjacent to rear window, brakes, suspension, etc.

I have a 612 checklist that was floating around - PM me if you would like it.

Good luck.

 

Can you please send me that 612 check list… I am contemplating buying one in the future and would like to know common issues.

 

Ricardo, can you tell us the VIN of your 612?

 

See attached for PPI Checklist:
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