Is this the end of F1?

They now see F1 racing as a development arena for cars of the future
rather than a race sporting event. The emphasis is on C02 reduction.
Only way to get that is with smaller engines that use less fuel. Hope
the fans turn off their TV's as many say they will.

 

No, but your comments are so far off the mark that I won't bother to argue.

Believe what you want.

 

F1 was always a testbed for new technical innovations, which eventually trickled down into road cars.

Has been like this since its inception in 1950. No difference.

 

All I keep reading is people saying they're done with F1 but yet they're still here posting away!

 

I will continue to know that I know what I know.

Cheers,

George

 

As long as we can still race vintage cars we are ok

I'll take a Can Am, GTP, or even a Sprint Car race over F1 any day

 

Can Am is still my favorite racing series of all time. Wide open and innovations galore. Even Indy cars were interesting back then. I was always rooting for the turbine cars, but alas. F1 too, the 6-wheel Tyrrell P34 was a fantastic experiment.

No room for any fun any more.

Cheers,

George

 

Maybe we can watch the f1 simulators race, just pump in the noise. I'm not ready to turn off the tv yet but hopefully the fia will see the error of their ways and amend the rules accordingly; if people stop watching then fia will react.

Just as an aside IMHO the Audi Toyota and Porsche have a lot more street car relevant tech in their Le Mans cars; Audi has a diesel hybrid with an electric turbocharger. How many race series do we need with hybrid technology?

 

The difference is that there are now more sophisticated systems on road cars than the F1 rules allow.


A lot of the innovations we've seen came from the poll that they had the fans fill out a few years ago. Their big takeaway was that we want more overtaking. So that's what DRS and the other gimmicks were all about. Easier than reconfiguring the Tilke-Dromes.

 

Nothing new either. We had that since they outlawed the full automatic suspension on the Williams in the early nineties.

Since then the FIA is constantly balancing the three "S": Safety, Show and $

If the cars get too fast for the track, they need to be reigned in.
If the show lacks drama, new gimmicks are added.
If it gets too expensive, the formula becomes more standardized.

However the new technology as in turbos + ERS is ground breaking and the way to the future. I'm glad and proud that F1 is taking that path. As is Porsche and Ferrari with their road cars. Others will follow.

Some folks on here seem to not understand that the "F" stands for Formula: A rule set by which the sport is governed and regulated. Since the inception of F1 they could have gone with bigger engines and no restrictions etc. But what's the point? You end up with some monster car that has 10,000 hp is nothing but wings and wide enough not to let anybody pass it. The real challenge is to build the fastest car under the given limitations. And 1.6 liter is a good start for that.

 

None really, since hybrid and electric technologies are not viable in the marketplace and wouldn't exist without government subsidies and tax breaks.

Government incentives for plug-in electric vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Cheers,

George

 

What part of "the power units make more power than the outgoing V8s, and top speeds are higher" don't you understand?

Sure, the lap records were all set 10 years ago, when the V10s made about the same total power as the V6 turbo units now, but had greater aero and tire grip. The new FIA rules slowed down the cars in the corners - yet allowed more power. Yet all you whine about is the engines?

You don't actually know what you're talking about.

George, did you see any plug in electric cars in the race? Me neither. Have you followed the latest supercars from the manufacturers? McLaren P1, Porsche 918, Ferrari LaFerrari? Do tell us what their powertrain configuration is? Yes, that's right - hybrid with electric motors supplementing the internal combustion engine. McLaren and Porsche with turbocharged engines.

Did you read about Ferrari's newest model just introduced, the California T? Guess what the T stands for - yes, right again, "turbocharged"!

Do you see the direction the supercar industry is going? How about that, it's the same as F1!!!

 

I don't know of any other Formula that has been as restrictive.
Generally teams are given a set of parameters broad enough to allow meaningful innovation. F1 doesn't. IMO this is one reason that any team that finds an edge becomes dominent for an entire season, or longer.

 

And one day the vintage car will be faster than the modern F1 car.

JJ and Pepper, you are both 100% correct. Some are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees. I wonder if they will ever use solar power.

 

The 918 is normally aspirated......

 

Arc technology. Works for Iron Man!!!

 

Gordon he's either a Troll or he's unable to accept change. Definitely not worth arguing.

 

I have no problem with the hybrid tech showing up in cars like LaFerrari. There, it's implemented to increase performance and decrease the official Fiorano lap times... and it's mated to a V12. Super groovy.

The F1 formula doesn't do that, so F1 is officially a watered down semi-sport in my book, EXACTLY LIKE NASCAR.

And, seriously, give me a break on the turbos, would you? The 80's were turbos, and it was amazing. I was there, I know.

Anyway, I decided today that F1 is dead to me, just like Indycar and NASCAR. I'm going back to following Moto GP. You lot can have it. It's as fake as Professional Wrestling.

Cheers,

George

 

Bye Felecia.
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Bye no-sex rebel.

Cheers,

George

 

Hey George, ya letting other opinions upset you, this place is about arguing that the sky is falling and that you can be heard in space

 

we'll see how long it takes for you to post on here again!

 

You'll be missed.
Check back in fom time to time.

 

wait....what??

 

+1

I figured that out a few posts back already.