The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

I have come to learn that when it comes to the 0846 thread, the most sane response to Miurasv is no response at all.

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One person's opinion??? Do you know who Doug Nye is? Obviously not. Well, let me tell you he's no "tosser." If you think the above is a crumb then there's no hope for you.

The reason I've brought this debate up is that Jim stated 16 days ago that Ferrari have confirmed in writing that he has resurrected 0846 on its original chassis which is a huge claim to make. 16 days and counting with no proof whatsoever since I asked where it had been written.

That it's been in and out of Italy? Yes, whoopeydoo!!!

 

....especially when you are unable to give a credible response.

 

Its still one persons opinion and yes FYI I am well aware of Mr Nye and the books he has written. That does not change the fact its one persons opinion. I myself have found his prose to be incredibly enjoyable reading.

Funny you mention the word "tosser" I had just been thinking of such a person....

As I mentioned pages back you are in no position to know the extent of written communication between Jim and Ferrari so everything you keep spewing forth in respect of has or has not been said is mere speculation.

Its a strange thing but in life many things boil down to simple credibility.

Again I am not sure what entitles you to view whatever proof you want to see.

 

Yes, one person's opinion. You say you know the work of Mr Nye, and since you brought up the subject of credibility you should know that he is no tongascrew and that his is of the highest order.

If you read the exchange of messages between Jim and Mr Nye in the Autosport forum you will understand why I used the word tosser in quotation marks.

 

You have to realize that you are dealing with a man who claims that what Jim G says is B.S. not to mention... heresay...

And what does he use to argue that it is "B.S."? Well... uhmm... his interpretation of uhmm... heresay.....

I guess it is up to the forum to judge whose interpretation is the more credible one, Miurasv or Napolis....

It is quite obvious that Miura is a puppet for someone else at this point. He is on a witch hunt, and there are no credible answers for someone who is on a witch hunt. Like I said before the only sane response to Miura, is no response at all.

 

As the other guy said, it's all about credibility. When talking Ferraris the hearsay of Doug Nye carries more weight than that of Jim Glickenhaus, especially in respected Ferrari circles.

I'm a puppet for nobody.

 

Hahaha.

Thanks I needed a laugh.

 

Agree with you, there is nothing new here and this whole discussion is becoming rather boring and I think I am just going to leave miura to continue attempting to provoke reaction.

 

Well the plebeians do have a lot of time on their hands.

 

Yep if he actually came up with some sort of argument why it isn't what Napolis says it is it might? be interesting.

Fact is, even if for arguments sake, Ferrari claimed the car is not 0846 for whatever reason, the Italian and American courts have listened to the evidence and ruled that it is.

That's what courts do. Listen to the evidence and make a decision on the evidence.

I can bet they would not rule that 0858 is a P4.

I'm pretty sure most of us are convinced that it is 0846 as are the courts. If one guy wants to do everything he can to try and cast doubt, so be it, who cares what he thinks till he can actually prove something or even come up with a decent argument that it isn't.

Maybe he'll walk outside his apartment, look up at the sky, and for him it will still be orange today.

Not worth entertaining his conspiracy theories any longer as far as I'm concerned.

 

Again, Ferrari long ago amended the year, model number and IIRC, photo. Napolis has left the info up as-is.

That's that.

In terms of your unending blithering - Page 325 is your friend. Reading comprehension required.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-vintage-driving-machines/423520-one-only-0846-debate-thread-325.html

With that settled - Ford MK-IV J5 doesn't have original chassis plate. You should go to the Ford Museum and picket.

 

True. Ferrari S.p.A has clearly stated that as of July 2002 I have owned Ferrari Chassis 0846 "Year of Construction 1966" fitted with a 3 valve P4 engine color Rosa Cosa 300. There is only one chassis that Ferrari made in 1966 that they subsequently fit with a 3 valve P4 engine and Ferrari's clear statement as to the "Date of Construction 1966" of that chassis and that I have owned that chassis since July 2000 was made by them about 12 years ago.

 

If Ferrari have actually amended the photograph as you keep on saying which should be of a P3/4 Spyder 0846 and not of P4 Berlinetta 0856 why doesn't Jim post the screen shot of that? What don't you understand about the fact that Ferrari have not published anything? It's Jim who has published the screen shot and the "Your Ferrari, Your Garage" information, not Ferrari.

 

Are you once again calling James Glickenhaus a liar?

 

I have never called him a liar.

 

Until Miura posts some sane argument with legitimate proof on how the car that has been ruled to be the genuine 0846 may not be, I'd have to guess most people here look at his argument to be this... In all fairness a disaster, but I admit, it's hard to look away...


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He keeps demanding that he is supplied proof that the car is 0846.

I feel it's time he produces proof that it isn't

 

If you read your quote, you sure did. Again.

Near the end of the long version [the advance copy short version by way of book was sent out many, many, many moons ago] of the .pdf are several pages published by Ferrari, with James Glickenhaus as the owner since July 2000, with the date of construction being 1966, with the color being Rossa Corsa 300 with the chassis number 0846 clearly stated with photos of 0846 clearly published by Ferrari S.p.A with all rights to that copyrighted page being reserved by Ferrari S.p.A. - not James Glickenhaus.

If I feel like it, I'll post that version of the .pdf tomorrow. Until then - Crow - it's not just for breakfast anymore.

 

I accept that you do need at least an average level of intelligence to understand what I am telling you so I will make allowances for you. Please let me attempt to help you understand again. Alas, I strongly suspect that it will be an attempt in vain and again doomed to failure for obvious reasons. Anyway, here goes:

Ferrari have NOT, as Jim relentlessly keeps stating, "PUBLISHED", i.e made available to the populous (general public) details of the "Your Garage, My Garage" etc that Jim Glickenhaus alone has published and distributed on numerous web sites including this one. What Ferrari have (allegedly, and again with no proof) done is made details he provided to them available to Jim Glickenhaus only, and him alone, for his private use and entertainment, in a private area of the Ferrari web site that is pass word protected for his use only; for which they do not warrant the accuracy of; for which there is a requirement for express permission from Ferrari S.p.A for anyone to copy/publish/distribute on internet forums as Jim Glickenhaus has done. Please see terms and conditions for use of the www.ferrari.com website. Geddit??? Very probably not!

 

In my humble opinion there here is enough here for a lible case.

If a party was willing, and had the resources, it wouldn't be that difficult to prevail.

Being polite occasionally doesn't mean you won't have to indemnify one.

....just sayin'.......

 

"Liable" case. Never heard of one of them before.

 

I'm sure you will be familiar with a libel case.

 

I'm shaking in my boots here!!! LMAO. ROTFL.

 

Your understanding of copyright is nil.

The copyright which belongs to Ferrari S.p.A. is on each of the photos provided by Mr. Glickenhaus, at no charge, and it certainly bears mention that Ferrari S.p.A., who requested information regarding 0846 and then filled in those spaces to their liking, are fully aware of their publication in printed, photographed, redistributed via [gasp] internet and .pdf form, again, by a Gentleman who is who is not doing this for profit.

So much so, that when the official Ferrari S.p.A. Forum existed, it was at Site Administration's discretion that the .pdf was posted by the Moderation team, not James Glickenhaus, and hosted on the site itself. Sadly, though not related to the subject at hand, the Forum was closed due to trolls.

So, while you are calling both James Glickenhaus and Ferrari S.p.A.-> Liars.

I submit that you, having pounded this into the ground since your massive failure regarding Talacrest, at bare minimum, as evidenced by the ever-increasing number of those who have you on Ignore, a Troll.

Further, as evidenced by from the all-too unpleasant recent histrionics since post 6509 dated 09-30-2013, you are a Liar.

 

What you have written above is proof that:

1. As a moderator of FerrarChat you are a huge liability to the owner of the site.

2. You are inept and a loose cannon.

3. Having defamed me by calling me a liar with no foundation whatsoever you are guilty of libel.

4. You are guilty of additional counts of libel by stating that I have defamed others by calling them liars with no foundation whatsoever.