TBM announces the TBM900

So W/B, OAT has nothing to do with this? As I'm sure you know, "marketing data" is always based on "optimal conditions".

 

The assumption from the beginning was always standard conditions.

I doubt the PC12 can do it at 36 degrees C as well.

 

Still avoiding the Global Express...

The version I was in was from 1999 and takeoff is around 5000'+. I even have the flight aware data here from the flight we did out of KMOD to WI (1778sm). Don't see how it wouldn't have the fuel load to go to ATL instead.

 

Who said anything about 36C? And yes, the PC12 can do it. I did 2000lbs of payload out of KBCE last summer and it was in the 90's.

Look, show me a jet that can haul 2000lbs of payload 1400NM non stop from a 5900' strip.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but you guys are debating me but not throwing up any numbers.

 

How much weight on board?

Do you guys also understand that you are comparing a $60MM Global Express to my $4.5MM Pilatus? HAHA! I love it.

 

There was something like 10 people on board and luggage. I understand its a huge cost difference, but you seem to think that you have a scenario that is impossible for anything other than your airplane and you challenged others to name a jet that can do it...so I did.

 

Look, there are performance numbers for aircraft that are easily accessible and understood. Show me the numbers where it says the Global Express can do this.

"a flight I was on one time" isn't enough. The numbers on Bombardier's website that I posted here do not agree with what you are saying. Bombardier says 6,400' runway is needed under "optimum conditions". 10 on board plus gas is heavy.

You have not named a jet that can do this yet. None of you have.

 

Jason, you are kidding right? How about a Citation Sovereign that will take 2,000 lbs. 2000 miles in FAR less time. And, oh yeah, at less capital cost. And at 45,000 feet above the weather.

 

READ IT AND WEEP



Model Name Citation Sovereign
Model Number 680
Power setting used in determining range HSC
Type of fuel reserve used in range calculations NBAA IFR
Reserve distance used in determining range 200 nm
Altitude used in determining range 47,000 ft
Number of pilots used in determining range 2
Range with crew only 3,000 nm
Range with 1 passenger or 200 lb payload 2,980 nm
Range with 2 passengers or 400 lb payload 2,959 nm
Range with 3 passengers or 600 lb payload 2,939 nm
Range with 4 passengers or 800 lb payload 2,919 nm
Range with 5 passengers or 1,000 lb payload 2,899 nm
Range with 6 passengers or 1,200 lb payload 2,851 nm
Range with 7 passengers or 1,400 lb payload 2,775 nm
Range with 8 passengers or 1,600 lb payload 2,700 nm
Range with 9 passengers or 1,800 lb payload 2,625 nm
Range with 10 passengers or 2,000 lb payload 2,551 nm
Time to fly 200 nm 32 min
Fuel burned to fly 200 nm 1,286 lbs
Altitude used to fly 200 nm 24,000 ft
Time to fly 400 nm 59 min
Fuel burned to fly 400 nm 1,881 lbs
Altitude used to fly 400 nm 39,000 ft
Time to fly 600 nm 1:26 hr
Fuel burned to fly 600 nm 2,527 lbs
Altitude used to fly 600 nm 41,000 ft
Time to fly 800 nm 1:54 hr
Fuel burned to fly 800 nm 3,256 lbs
Altitude used to fly 800 nm 41,000 ft
Time to fly 1000 nm 2:21 hr
Fuel burned to fly 1000 nm 3,988 lbs
Altitude used to fly 1000 nm 41,000 ft
Time to fly 1200 nm 2:48 hr
Fuel burned to fly 1200 nm 4,724 lbs
Altitude used to fly 1200 nm 41,000 ft
Time to fly 1500 nm 3:29 hr
Fuel burned to fly 1500 nm


Model Name Citation Sovereign
Model Number 680
Serial number range for this model 680-0001 & on
FAA Certification Date 06/02/2004
Production Years 2004 - present
Takeoff distance to 35 ft 3,640 ft
5000 ft elevation / 25C takeoff distance 4,950 ft
Takeoff weight restrictions at 5,000 ft elevation / 25C None
Landing distance from 50 ft at max landing weight 2,650 ft
Typical landing weight 20,700 lbs
Landing distance from 50 ft at typical landing weight 2,210 ft
All engine climb rate at sea level, ISA 4,016 ft/min
One engine out climb rate at sea level, ISA 1,237 ft/min
Altitude and time that aircraft can climb directly to FL430 in 23 min
All engine service ceiling 43,000 ft
Engine out service ceiling 27,560 ft
Certified ceiling 47,000 ft
Maximum cruise speed 458 kts
Altitude at which maximum cruise speed is achieved 35,000 ft

 

Well im not sure what the version I flew in translates into with the current model, but every version except the one you chose to post is less than 6,000'...strange.

Global 5000
AIRFIELD PERFORMANCE
Takeoff distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,540 ft 1,689 m
Landing distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 2,670 ft 814 m

Global 8000

 

God man are you reading any of my posts????? 5900' runway!!!

 

ARE YOU READING MINE??

Takeoff distance 3640 feet! Read the above numbers!

 

I clicked on your link and it does state that on a "standard day" at MTOW the Global will do it in 5800'. But what about on a hot day? You only have 100' to work with.

Once again, we're also getting "off topic". We're still comparing a $60MM Global to my $4.5MM PC12. I'm a "single pilot" guy. I don't want to a 2 pilot airplane. I was never shopping 2 pilot airplanes when I bought my PC12. It came down to the PC12NG or the Phenom 300. I think the Phenom 300 would be close.

 

2000lb payload plus gas?

Also, let's say the Sovereign can do it. It's $20MM and requires 2 pilots. It wasn't on my radar when I was buying and yes, I said this from the beginning.

 

No it's 7.5 MM

 

Actually it's 2775 mile range with a 1400 lb payload (double your requirement). You stated to "name a jet that can do this mission" and I did. a CJ3+ will do it also for the same money you spent. With better factory support. Single pilot.

 

Not according to their website. Show me.

 

I have a 2000lb payload.

CJ3 is also a lot more than $4.5MM and won't do it.

 

I was on Controller, not talking of a new
One. You can buy a fairly new CJ3 or 4 for 4.5 MM and they will do the job.

You really can't REALLY be arguing that a single engine turboprop is a better long distance machine than a pure jet can you ?

 

Sigh, yes it will Jason. Easily.

 

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So we've switched to the "used" market? The thread started at TBM 900. Single pilot. New Price of $3.7MM. You gotta quit switching gears. Stick with new pricing for now. Introducing used will introduce a whole new set of variables. PC12NG is $4.5MM new.

I'm not saying the PC12 is better "long distance". I'm saying PC12 is better long distance if you want to land at the closest airport to your destination. The PC12 is better long distance than any jet that requires a fuel stop. The PC12 is the best all around airplane and the market supports this.

I'd be happy to list all the reasons I bought PC12 over a jet. I could buy 2 or 3 small jets (used) for what a used PC12NG costs.

 

USED! I don't care about used. I don't want to learn Collins Proline.

The new CJ3+ is now out with G3000. Garmin is the future. I'm not investing in a plane with Proline.

http://www.cessna.com/citation/cj3

This new CJ3+ is a monster. The whole Cessna line is going Garmin. You'd be a fool to buy anything not Garmin. I knew it was coming and I'll make the switch. Just have to time my departure appropriately.

 

I knew you'd come around

 

One other thing you aren't addressing: passenger (not your) comfort.

Most everyone I fly with prefers to land every 3 hours or so to stretch their legs. To the average non pilot the thought of a 5-6 hour flight in a small airplane is a nightmare.