The Michael Schumacher Career/Injury/Recovery Thread

My take is, that it already happened. Months ago.

And I have a hard time with the criticism directed at the doctors. Hindsight is 20/20 and those who have read the original reports of what happened right after the fall and before he was even delivered to the hospital probably already realized the severity of the situation.

I also have a hard time with criticism directed at the press, but that's another story.

 

Sadly that does seem to be more the reality of the situation.

 

Yes. Let's hope he is not aware and tortured inside this useless body. Bungled care or not, sometimes the ability of doctors to keep a person "alive" is a mixed blessing.
For all concerned my hopes are for a swift resolution.

 

As usual, the infamous 'press' have taken Dr H's comments out of context and added their own spin.

His latest blog begins;

He goes on to explain, but is obviously terribly unhappy with JT;

Godspeed Michael
Ian
I should have known . . . | A Former F1 Doc Writes

 

It's hard to just emergency treatment. It's rarely ever perfect. It's easrier to judge the current treatment ,if only we had more information. If he is still in a complete coma or vegetative state then its time for nature to take its course,at least thats what I would want.In fact it's what 99% of us would want. I hope someone close to him reads this.

 

Modern medicine has become very good at keeping dead / dying people alive....but, that is not the same thing as saving people from death / dying (if you follow my meaning)....

 

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

That sums up this thread

 

Well, then I'm insane then for wishing Michael and a quick and full recovery soon.

Get well Michael!!!

 

.......and says it all

 

Certainly wish the best for Michael. Don't like the talk regarding maleficence by his doctors and current hospital. Don't need the armchair quarterbacks. Having sustained a horrific car accident myself which landed me in ICU for 3 months there is not much left of you physically when you are released from the hospital. Many say the person upstairs has something else for you to do, everyone is different as to this expectation. Some would just like to pass with dignity as quality of life is better than quantity of years.

 

I meant to say "Its hard to make a judgement about emergency treatment."

 

There is none.

Dr. Hartstein's comments, which he clarified in his blog in a newer entry, were specifically with respect to the care Michael received on-slope and in transit to the hospital. He explicitly states that he has no concerns about the treatment and care received by Michael once he arrived at Grenoble.

I have to admit, then, that as an ex-ski patroller I found Dr. Hartstein's comments troubling. While valid, he expresses a desire for a standard of training and education that is not possible with the volunteer ski patrols used extensively in North America, nor with the minimum wage paying professional ski patrollers used everywhere. While the ski hills may employ a properly qualified doctor on staff, most pro patrollers aren't trained to paramedic levels, and the volunteer patrollers have first aid training specific to skiing, and that's it.

I was a volunteer patroller for 15 years at Lake Louise in Banff, and treated and transported some pretty horrible injuries down the mountain to the patrol hut where the pro patrollers would take over and prep for transport to hospital. Granted I retired 13 years ago, but even now the standard of training and knowledge desired by Dr. Hartstein is not affordable by any of the ski hills.

 

Its also not available at primary care centers in any country I know of. As a physician in Canada I followed the injury to Liam Neesons wife which was fatal The local hospital at Tremblant evacuated her to Montreal as soon as possible with her cranial hematoma. There arnt many docs that are going to do burr-holes in an ambulance as her condition was deteriorating.Michaels injuries ,which involved bilateral hemmorhages into the brain substance ,had a dismal outlook from the beginning. Folks who sit in ivory towers often pontificate about elsewhere gereral,but dont walk in their shoes. S**t happens.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but looks like Sabine has given a short statement to Bild. Google translate says :

Kehm told Bild today : "It is still true , what I said in my last statement: We are and remain confident that Michael will go through and wake up there. We fight for it together with the team of doctors that we trust . "

Michael Schumacher: Managerin Sabine Kehm glaubt an seine Genesung - Formel 1 - Bild.de

 

Hartstein isn't quite an ivory tower consultant, but he's expressing a desire for F1 race-level medical care on the ski hills. Unlike F1 races, not every ski hill has a neurosurgeon on standby.

(To be very clear, none of them do)

 

Is he really getting the very best care available? I wish we could bring Michael to Johns Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic. Brightest and best doctors in the world to treat neurological injuries.

 

The damage was done 3 months ago. You cant put Humpty together again. But just as a gereral comment,as a doctor, from reading so many of these blogs, no wonder there is such a malpractice issue in the United States. Peaple seem to expect miracles to happen every day and the higher priced the help the more likely a miracle is to happen. They seem to have a completely unrealistic expectation of medical treatment and technology and expect a cure and full recovery from any event. Remember Steve Jobs ,in spite of all his money died.

 

I remember reading in his autobiography that he refused surgery for a year after initial diagnosis, choosing to explore alternative medicine - possibly the decision that later claimed his life.

 

5 years survival after Pancreatic surgery for carcinoma (Whipples proceedure) about 5%.

 

Yea....if you survive the Whipple!

 

these biological bodies are not worth the trouble, it's just one problem after another. Even whey they work properly, which is about as often as a italian car from the 70s does, they're still a mess.

I hope Michael gets better.

 

It goes both ways... In the USA the expectation is set that when you get a highly trained, highly educated and highly compensated physician -positive outcomes are also highly expected....

 

You said it all, Doc. For over a quarter century I was a volunteer in health care, trustee of the largest voluntary geriatric institution in the U.S. and its president for four years and Board chairman another four. Expectations, especially of family of older people, are quite simply unreasonable. No one on this thread can have any idea concerning the quality of care Michael has received in Grenoble. Still, because we all know him and continue to think of him as the preternaturally fit man he was, it is very easy to conclude that his fitness will have saved him. While we all hope and pray for the best, the unhappy reality is that the longer his coma persists the less likely is a happy outcome.

 

His oncologist was elated when he saw the scan because that particular form of cancer, on that location, was treatable, had a good survival rate. But, as you said, Jobs went another way.

 

He had the best medicine in the world available to him but deferred to woo-woo treatments instead.
Not as smart as we may have thought.