Ecclestone, Di Montezemelo and Todt hold meeting to improve F1

I doubt that.

CanAm Porsche 917 did the Nordschleife in 72 in 7:36.
Heidfeld did the Nordschleife in 2007 in under 7 (according to all estimates).

I've been going regularly to Road America where historic CanAms meet historic and BOSS F1 and I'm pretty sure the 95 Benetton beats the CanAms hands down.

 

Right? But if you continue to give them an open formula can you imagine what those cars would be doing now. I wasn't comparing 70s tech to 90s, just the philosophy.

 

That's the thing...an open formula is simpy not feasible these days. Within the first couple of races there'll be an accident so huge it'll kill a driver easy. Or it'll have so much downforce the driver will simply pass out (and then crash).

 

Well tracks cannot accommodate ever increasing speed, can they?

Just look at Indy and their constant struggle to keep lap speed down.
I believe even NASCAR has to restrict cars.

Many circuits that used to have F1 cars in the past have lost their homologation for safety reason. Others have added many chicanes to be allowed to still hold GPs.

So, yes, speed isn't in vogue anymore. Spectacle is.

 

OH WOW how I miss that sound!!!!

 

+1

 

I like to hope that the brains much smarter than I would be able to engineer a way for incredible cars to be feasible. In the end you are probably right however and it cannot be done.

 

Interesting technology?

Hybrids will be essential technology when exhaust emission will become so severely punished that ANY car will only be tolerated in town under electric power.

Hybrid technology will ensure the survival of the combustion engine which is severely under threat.

F1 is an ideal test bed to refine that technology.

 

Apparently Honda had 1022 in final spec. I suppose altitude/humidity come in to play at certain races so figures will vary. In any case, near as makes no difference a 1000bhp. .

The very first time I saw a formula 1 car the thing that got to me most of all was the noise. It was so unbelievable, the noise was so powerful it made my chest vibrate. At one point I could swear I felt the ground shake (obviously the chest vibrating in the end) it'll stay with me till the day I die.

If I where to take my little brothers to their first F1 race tomorrow they won't have that impression. Yes the speed is impressive...but it will not be the full impression that I first got.

The very first F1 car I got to experience was an Arrows from 2000. I would be surprised if it ran maximum power that day. I've been lucky enough to hear one of the last Ferrari V12 F1 cars.

That powerful noise simply has to be brought back. I really hope F1 will get this done because I can see the sport shrinking to a mere glimpse of what it was last year.

 

It feels like F1 is going green and to this end, the spectacle is diminished. If they could put all the drivers in simulators and project holograms on the circuit, that would be leading edge, cost much less and nobody gets hurt.

The Formula is flawed and for the wrong reasons. You're correct though, I can just turn it off. One team got it right, I suppose we can all turn it off now and the season is in the books for Mercedes for having the idea of separating the turbine from the compressor and allowing them to put the gearbox under the traditional heat source. Good for Mercedes.

I guess it's TV that matters though (for revenue rights) and not the fans in the stand. I love F1 and Ferrari but not keen on spending the $30,000 to take the family to a circuit this year.

Maybe they will get the sprinklers on the circuit next year.




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Just to get my point across a bit more, what makes a bigger impression on you? This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT36kC2pwAc

Or this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztL2HADF9Og

 

A V10 VS a V12:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vs4Mv7ibkA

 

It's the difference between science and art.

It's the difference between a hand built car and one made by robots.

It's the difference between eating at a family owned restaurant or eating at McDonalds

It's the difference between sending a probe to Mars and vs sending a man to actually walk on it.


Technology is not everything. There needs to be something that also satisfies the human spirit beyond just cold impressive numbers.

 

Nail > Head.

100% right.

 

I remember walking to the Hockenheim Motodrom and hearing the F1 cars run in practice in 79. I had very much the same experience as you describe.

And yes, I miss the sound too compared to what we hear now. But to me that is just one part (out of an estimated 10) that makes F1. And while this aspect is down, some others gained, like technological relevance and leadership, the overall racing is much better and the hacking order got reshuffled. I take 1 minus for 3 plus.

 

I couldn't agree more with all of that.

But I want F1 to be on the leading technological edge and not in a dead end.

PS: As much as I love to see a human walk on Mars (still hoping to see that in my lifetime, although not that sure anymore), first I'd like to see the much hyped SS2 take flight with Mister Branson plus family in it. Or NASA astronauts going to ISS in Space-X or visiting an asteroid on Orion. Sorry for the hijack.

 

I guess my point is that sound doesn't need to suffer the way it does. It can still be loud and F1 can still be the most technological advanced sport around together.

 

You know how some say a car's design can make it look fast even when it's standing still.
The new F1 cars look slow even if they're going fast.
As far as sound, nothing perks up your ears and get the blood flowing like the sound of the old F1 cars.. it simply like hearing Jimi Hendrix live.

Can any of the new cars do this?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JPBdBIFGNQ&list=RD1JPBdBIFGNQ]Renault F1 Car playing God Save The Queen - YouTube[/ame]

 

Not disagreeing with that at all.

I'd like them to address the sound. But it is nowhere near the end of F1 for me.

 

At the end of the day racing is nothing more than entertainment, a show. That may be blasphemy to some here but it is what it is. If the show isn't entertaining people will stop watching and find something else that they find more entertaining.

A couple of quick fixes to salvage this season that would cost the teams little or no money would be to eliminate the fuel flow limit and remove the rev limit. For next season raise the fuel tank capacity back to last seasons.

Looking beyond that, get rid of the electric motors and batteries and go to a 2 liter max displacement with any number of cylinders allowed, no rev limit, reduce tank capacity, return refueling, limit wing size. This would hVe the effect of increasing innovation, different strategies and theories on what is best. A thirsty V12 which might be faster but require more pit stops or a more frugal v8 which might not have the pure speed but be able to a race in one or two stops less. Also only one type of dry tires.

 

With you on everything except the single type of dry tyres.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Allow other tire companies to compete and run what they choose.

 

Most people are reluctant to change writes Jean Todt in Le Monde today.
New F1 regulations were forced by car manufacturers, he adds, themselves concerned by forthcoming strict ecologic regulations (in Europe at least).
They are the ones who have pushed the FIA to make F1 a test bed for new technology and showcase the progress made in fuel saving, energy recovery, etc...
F1 has to move with the time to stay relevant, he concludes.
The negative reports about teething problems, lack of familiar noise and other gripes, are just typical from a passionate audience, according to Todt.

 

That's the problem with doing business with entities so much larger than yourself. They call the tune.
And Todt & Co. dance like monkeys.

 

Todt also mentions that compared to last year, the new regulations have demonstrated that a fuel saving of 30% can been achieved, without significant power reduction.
Behind the scene, the technicians are very happy with this result.
Already the findings during the development of the new powerplants are applicable to street cars.