Poking around I found this vintage picture from the 1986 Chicago Auto Show. That kid is in heaven. That 328 GTB is probably one of the 1986 model year cars. -F Image Unavailable, Please Login
74609 is being offered for sale by Miller Motorcars and they list it with a brown interior. This is the car seen by Dave at Lime Rock. -F
I didn't see the car on their website. what was the asking price, I assume that it sold already. Thanks
74609 is being offered for $58,500. It's listed on the Ferrari Club of America Classifieds. -F Ferrari Club of America Classified Ads
Just purchased #78112. GTB. Verde Scuro exterior/Brown interior/Brown dash. Originally sold by AutoHaus in Cohasset, Mass. 24,000 miles, all original. Built July 1988.
It is certainly possible. I was able to do that with a period picture posted by Tommy C. a while back. The number of cars this could be are under 20. Actually, maybe even less than 10. The Chicago Auto Show in 1986 was February 8-February 16 which means only the early '86 cars would be able to make the show, short of an air freighted car, which is possible but unlikely IMO. -F
Updated info on 78112. 1986 61013 RC/Beige 61015 RC/Beige Nov 85 Foreign Cars Italia 61041 Nov 85 61141 61177 Nero Met/Beige Nov 85 Shelton textured spoiler 61181 RC/Nero 61239 RC/Beige Nov 85 61243 Nov 85 61327 RC/Beige Dec 85 LFSC leather rear shelf, brown dash 61347 Arg/Beige 61411 RC/Beige Dec 85 61587 Nero/Beige Dec 85 61731 RC/Beige 61759 RC/Beige 61793 RC/Beige FAF Motorcars 61805 RC/Nero 61813 61899 salvage 61973 RC/Nero 62027 RC/Beige Jan 86 Symbolic 62165 RC/Beige 62813 Arg/Nero 63449 63701 Bianco salvage 64145 64291 RC/Beige Classic Ferrari, Richardson Texas 65045 Nero/Beige June 86 65339 RC/Crema 65529 Nero/Nero 65645 66241 RC/Nero Jul 86 66511 RC/Beige Sep 86 Classic Ferrari 66711 Nero/Nero Sep 86 1987 66801 Sep 86 67033 RC/Beige Sep 86 Wide World of Cars 67251 Oct 86 salvage 67255 RC/Beige Oct 86 Continental Motors 67527 RC/Nero Oct 86 67775 RC/Nero Oct 86 Newport Imports 68233 Nero/Nero Nov 86 Symbolic 68647 Dec 86 68671 RC/Nero Dec 86 69027 RC/Nero Jan 87 69179 RC/Beige Jan 87 69459 Grigio/Blk 70147 Bianco/R Mar 87 Algar 70249 Mar 87 70697 Bianco/Beige Mar 87 LFSC 70739 RC/Beige Mar 87 71125 Grigio/Grigio Apr 87 Newport Imports 71487 71549 RC/Beige -inner door handle change- 71721 May 87 72029 RC/Beige May 87 72549 Jun 87 72629 RC/Beige 73339 RC/Beige Jul 87 73341 Jul 87 73367 RC/Beige Jul 87 Motor Imports San Antonio 73369 Giallo/Beige Jul 87 Woodland Hills Ferrari 73953 RC/Beige 73965 RC/Beige 74051 Sep 87 74273 RC/Crema Sep 87 LFSC 1988 74609 Giallo/Beige 74747 RC/Beige 75063 RC/Beige Oct 87 Foreign Cars Italia 75125 RC/Nero Nov 87 Foreign Cars Italia 75267 RC Nov 87 75373 Bianco/Beige Nov 87 75478 Nov 87 75593 RC/Beige Dec 87 Ron Tonkin 75808 RC/Beige -outer door handle change- -emblem on mirrors- 75912 Arg/R Jan 88 Miller Motorcars 75962 RC/Nero Jan 88 76013 RC/Crema 76110 RC/Nero 76140 RC/Beige Jan 88 Algar 76235 RC/Beige Ferrari of Dallas 76493 Blu Chiaro/Crema 76514 Arg/R Feb 88 LFSC 76518 RC/Beige Feb 88 LFSC 76585 76617 Mar 88 1988.5 -convex wheels- 76632 RC/Beige Mar 88 76633 RC/Beige Hollywood Sports Cars 76667 RC/Beige Newport Imports 76717 77028 RC/Beige 77068 Nero/Nero Apr 88 The Sports Car Exchange 77262 RC/Beige May 88 Ferrari of Denver 77338 RC/Beige May 88 FAF Motorcars 77365 May 88 77394 RC/Beige May 88 77691 RC/Beige 77808 RC/Nero Jun 88 78112 Verde/Bruno Jul 88 AutoHaus 78166 RC/Nero Jul 88 Hollywood Sportscars 78225 RC/Beige Jul 88 78555 RC/Beige Sep 88 Ferrari of Washington -shocks change- 78577 RC Sep 88 78680 RC/Beige Sep 88 78702 RC/Beige Sep 88 78714 RC/Beige Sep 88 Ferrari of Houston 1989 78881 RC/Beige Oct 88 Harris Imports 78894 RC/Beige Oct 88 spoiler delete 79054 RC/Beige 79076 RC/Beige 79124 RC/Beige 79349 RC/Beige 79392 RC/Beige Nov 88 Big Red's Sportscars, OK 79422 RC/Nero Nov 88 Aristocrat Motor Company, KS 79659 RC/Beige Dec 88 79663 RC/Beige Dec 88 Ron Tonkin 79710 RC/Beige 79730 RC/Beige Dec 88 Wide World of Cars 80029 RC/Beige 80050 RC/Beige Jan 89 LFSC 80054 RC/Beige 80281 Nero/Nero Feb 89 80364 RC/Tobacco 80377 RC/Beige 80667 RC/Beige 80882 RC/Nero 81053 RC/Beige 81066 RC/Nero salvage 81203 Arg/Nero 81597 RC/Beige 81750 RC/Nero 82526 RC/Beige 82566 RC/Beige 82906 Verde Scuro/Beige/Brown Dash likely the last 328 GTB imported to the US
It's hard to tell from the picture but my initial thought is no, it looks like a standard black dash with a standard material rear shelf. But, as you noted, 61327 did come through LFSC which makes sense as they likely supplied the cars for the Chicago Auto Show. But I suspect it's not 61327. There are several '86 MY cars on the list that don't have dealer info next to them, which also could have come through LFSC. The search goes on. BTW, I didn't know you owned 61327. What do you think? Do you think the car in the picture has a brown dash? -F
Actually, looking a little closer to the list of cars in that range, I'm wondering if the car in the picture isn't 61327. Does anyone have access to Mattius Urban's registry? I suspect some of the '86 cars on the US 328 GTB registry are not actually 328 GTB but other models from the time, particularly Mondials. But I need to cross check with some other registries out there to confirm. If that is the case, and those mystery '86 MY cars are indeed not US 328 GTB, then there are not too many cars that would work out other than 61327. -F
I've had it a couple years now. On the driver's side the dash looks black but in the middle it looks brown. So who knows?
Done: your above-enclosed list of 1986 GTBs cross-checked with Matthias Urban's information and others: all the cars listed as '86 on your list are definitively American Market GTBs... EXCEPT: 62813, which maybe actually in the United States, that I don't know, but is an Euro model: her VIN is listed as ZFFWA19B000062813, which is the standard euro VIN of a 328 GTB. All other chassis numbers are listed with their full VIN by Matthias, which allows to ascertain these cars as 328 GTBs (ZFFXA19Betc...) and US market models, this except for five cars, identified as 328 GTBs indeed, but for which there is only the chassis number and not the full VIN: 61411, 61759, 61793, 66511 and 66711. Hope it helps. Rgds
Thanks for that. It is helpful, even if it increases the number of cars that could be in that photo. Just so I understand, are you saying 61411, 61759, 61793, 66511 and 66711 cannot be confirmed as US 328 GTB because their full VIN's are not on Matthias' site? -F
Hi Furmano, It is not that I doubt these cars being US Market GTBs: Matthias lists these as being US Cars, so they were signaled to him as such; but these are the only five for which he does not have the full VIN, which usually lifts any doubt. I do believe these five are indeed US cars... Rgds
OK, thanks. That info is really helpful. Now all I have to do is track down those mystery cars and find what the original dealer was. I suspect 61327 was not the only '86 328 GTB to pass through Lake Forest Sports Cars in Chicago. But we won't know until those other cars are tracked down. -F
As an aside, I somehow envy you for being able to work on a list with people that are willing to disclose VIN and Chassis numbers, which is still something owners are reluctant to do here, and also been able to track down the cars through their dealerships...that would also be difficult to do here. I guess I'll be dead and gone for long when the final, complete list of chassis numbers for the 220 GTBs that were allegedly been registered in France will be complete...not to mention the GTSs (about 350 I guess). Rgds
True, true. That's why I'm keeping this list to just US 328 GTB, to keep the numbers manageable. I think this registry will be 90% complete within a few years. And the internet is an incredible tool. That said, it's fascinating that some of these cars have simply disappeared. Parked in a garage or some back lot, never to be heard from again. It seems the same cars come on to the market again and again over time. But then again, recently some "mystery" cars have come on to the market. Like the Bianco one in Houston, or the Verde one from Santa Monica. The rise in values may shake some cars out of their perpetual storage. -F
Well, I am also frustrated, and fascinated at the same time by the thought that some have been hidden away from our prying eyes, and in very different places: I think about, for instance: - 82112, a french '89 GTB that was never registered and spent about 20 years "somewhere" before being offered for sale by "FA Automobiles" in Paris in 2010 with only the delivery miles (190 kms / 120 miles) on the odo. - 81995, a french GTS, living her own happy life in rural France with his first original owner for 25 years before being put on the market recently...and been noted by someone for the first time. Or those who left for some exotic places, cars that we will never know about: suppose there was some rich collector in a South American country (for instance) who ordered one and kept it outside public access...and there must be some! There is also a video on You-tube about a brunch for 328s owners in Japan; the video is not very interesting, but there are at least 20 cars on the grass, some GTBs among them...that's at least 20 chassis numbers missing, as info from Japan is difficult to obtain. And of course we have those who have reached the end of their life (accident, exhaustion...) and that we will never know about... Collecting chassis numbers is a never-ending job... Rgds
When I was looking for my GTB I came across an '86 I think that had a Carfax that showed it had been registered in Trona, CA. Trona is a POS town located on a salt flat out in the middle of the eastern CA desert. Why anyone would register a 328 GTB in Trona baffles my mind. There are many cars out there that are just sitting, rotting away. I think the best way to track down some of these cars is to reconstruct the VIN and run a Carfax on them to at least see where the are generally located. Hey, maybe LFSC has records of cars that came through their showroom from the 80's. It's worth a shot. I really want to identify the car in that period photo. -F
I ran Carfax's on the fist unidentified cars. I got the following: 61013 RC/Beige Likely originated as a Florida car. Steady stream of registrations over the last five years in Boynton Beach, FL, the last one on 08/26/2013. 61041 Nov 85 Only one entry, from the first registration, on 2/20/1986 in New Jersey. Never to be heard from again. 61141 Likely started as a New York car. Last registration in Highlands, North Carolina. No idea of the color. 61181 RC/Nero Likely started as a Southern California car. Last registered in Rio Vista on 04/19/2013 with over 70,000 miles. Nero interior disqualifies it as the Chicago show car. 61239 RC/Beige Nov 85 Didn't run report. 61243 Nov 85 Earliest entry in 2002 in Colorado. Last entry on 10/31/2003 in Edgewater, FL. Color information would help narrow down whether this car could have been the Chicago show car. 61327 RC/Beige Dec 85 LFSC leather rear shelf, brown dash The fact that the original dealer for this car was LFSC leads me to think it is the Chicago show car. However more VIN's will need to be run to be sure. -F
Maybe. 61041 could have been a demo car. But I suspect the car shown at the show was a real deal, production model that was later sold. I wonder if Tim Stanford has seen any 328 GTB come through his shop lately. -F
