Tell me about your F430 compared to the 458 Italia

65kg lighter? how and from what? fair to assume then that the "holland 458" would be lighter than the stated figures for the rest of the world for the same reason the "holland 430" is lighter than the rest of the world?

My numbers were off the top of my head and based on your own figures only off by a marginal 7-8hp...are you trying to say 7-8hp is going to turn things around for the 430? lol

Full comparison stats here off the Internet and not my memory:

430 // 1,450 kg // 483hp // 465 Nm torque @ 5250 rpm // 0-60, 4.4s // 0-100, 8.3s // 1/4 mile 11.7s
458 // 1,485 kg // 562hp // 540 Nm torque @ 6,000 rpm// 0-60, 3.0s // 0-100, 6.2s // 1/4 mile 10.8 s

 

Well Said. You pretty much nailed the issue right on the head.

 

Of course it is not "going to turn things around for the F430". Don't know why you make that up.
But you are posting incorrect numbers on the internet, all I did was pointing that out.
I'm sorry you felt offended.

And now you are still quoting incorrect numbers, but I will not offend you anymore.

 

numbers were cut & pasted directly from wikipedia and ferrari. go offend them and tell them they are posting wrong numbers and that they forgot to add 65kg to holland cars.

Which figure is wrong now? lol

Cite your source(s). various sources will post different figures, hence why to keep it apples to apples I cut and pasted directly from the same source for both models.

 

Not to stir this pot, but I thought most sources put the F430 0-60 in the high 3's. It felt a lot faster than 0-60 in 4.4 s when I drove it. Then again, that was a euro-spec car, which may be different.

 

F430 is 4.0 seconds in my manual. Maybe 3 pedal is higher?


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If you can do 4.0 s with a manual transmission, I assume the F1 version could do better, especially with launch control activated.

 

Sorry, meant 4 seconds in f1.


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Perhaps a slightly different topic than the OP's initial question...but what I find interesting is that many folks are saying that the 458 is "significantly" faster than the F430 yet the Scud is neck and neck with it in a straight line. I know the Scud is lighter than the stock F430 and has 20-25hp more and quicker shifts...but it seems odd to me that those 3 things can bridge such a "significant" performance gap...Having never driven a Scud or 458 I can't comment ...just seems like a lot of performance to make up. I'm not suggesting it isn't true ..just curious is all.

 

Neck and neck until about mid 5th gear where you're well past 125+ mph.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETEpDcxJ0YM]Ferrari 430 Scuderia vs Ferrari 458 Italia - YouTube[/ame]

 

My own experience against a 458 is that from 50mph to around 100mph there isn't too much of a difference.

I have driven a 458 also. It's definitely faster and when getting past 100mph I could tell that the 458 would start to pull away.

As far as interior goes 458 is much nicer. Everything is much nicer.

The only thing better in the F430 is the looks IMO.

 

Yeah, looking at these two dyno charts from Fabspeed (I know some people in here hate Fabspeed)
- Stock 430 Scuderia: 427 rwhp (http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server6100/fh9wsjv2/products/217/images/1421/F430_Scuderia_Perf_Pack__67589.1393515925.1280.1280.jpg?c=1)
- Modified F430: 446 rwhp (http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server6100/fh9wsjv2/products/217/images/1422/F430_Perf_Pack__45865.1393515925.1280.1280.jpg?c=1)

Based on that, a modded F430 has approx 20 rwhp more than a stock Scuderia although Scuderia is 220 lbs lighter and shift faster (60ms vs 150ms).

Other modded F430 dyno examples:
- 468 rwhp (no cats):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xffDyhmkhEg
- 452 rwhp (with stock cats):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwRrg7iT20s
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We were also able to achieve 472 RWHP on the Scuderia on pump gas an a VERY impressive 503 RWHP on the Scud with race fuel and Fabspeed's full performance package. A scud on Street Gas with a Full exhaust, tune and BMC filters should pull on a stock 458. Attached below is the 430 Scuderia before and after Fabspeed Performance package dynos. For reference, a stock 458 put down 450-460 RWHP on our Dynojet. We were able to get 500-518 RWHP out of a 458 with a full exhaust and tune.
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I'd correct myself, a modified/fully bolt-on F430 should weigh less than a stock F430.
Fabspeed headers, exhaust/x-pipe, bypass cats are lighter than stocks plus if the F430 has CCM/titanium bolts/other CF parts also.

 

Ron, when you come to SF bring the car down too =D We can do a straight line drag!

Tuned 458 vs tuned 430 vs tuned Scuderia
avg power ratings: 620hp vs 460hp vs 550hp

oh yaaaaa, should be fun!

 

Haha, I don't know if I ever bring my car to SF, should be plenty fully bolt-on F430s in Bay Area I think

Just do the tuned Scud vs tuned 458 first

 

I really dislike the front bumper on the 458, otherwise i probably would have made more effort to buy it earlier.

Besides that, i would expect it to be faster and more advanced. If my 430 didnt drop so much in value since new, after putting on just 4k miles, I prob would make the switch to the 458 speciale, but the extra 150k or more for the swap does not make it very tempting right now.

 

Exactly - £150k upgrade for what? The f430 F1/3 pedal car or whatever is an awesome car, yes if you are the sort of person who can afford to write off £100k in two years on the latest toy (and many of us can) then do it because to 458 is a fabulous car and probably better in all respects than the 430, that's evolution.

However the sensible financially astute among us (and there are many) know from reading this thread we are splitting hairs, any car with 490 to 500bhp /1450kg is going to be fun just more so when it has a prancing horse on its rump. 0-60 - 100kmh whatever under 4 secs 3.6, 3.8, 3.9 etc does it really matter on the public road on a Sunday morning with your wife in the passenger seat?

If you can do it and justify it - then do it the 458 will not disappoint - the rest of us are still smiling.

Have a great day guys.

 

GTR guys are funny, but hey, if you like your Nissan over a Ferrari F430, good for you! Perhaps you weren't driving the F430 hard enough... or this post is a joke?

 

Lol. Could care less how fast and how loud the GTR is. Probably the ugliest car I have ever seen. And....it's a Nissan. More plastic parts than my kids toys. Would rather buy a stingray if drag racing really mattered to me


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Or he can uses the "Search" button on this thread


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+1, it's a personal choice.
The 458 has a great deal with the technology compared to the F430.
But at the very end of the story.. It's just a personal taste


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These discussions are really pretty useless.

Why not argue if a 308 GT is better than a 246 Dino GT? Of course it is on paper. When the 308 came out it was a space ship compared to the old school 246. Why can you buy a 308 for 30 grand and a 246 for 300 grand then?

It's a matter of taste and what you like in the vehicle.

It's the same in the debate of the F430 vs 458. There is no right or wrong answer. They both have their pluses and minuses.

It's up to the owners to decide.

BUT I would leave the price out of it. You either like one or like the other regardless of what you pay for it. If you bring in price, then your making a value judgment on money spent, not on which is better to your tastes.

 

+1 on ALL the way.
Price should be always left out.


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I'll add that you can't compare a modded older car to a stock new one. Yes, you can mod up an F430 to be faster than a 458, but you can then mod up the 458 to be faster than the modded F430. An equally pointless variant of the debate.