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fuel mix problem adjusting

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  1. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
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    The fuel mixture has been messed with and I am trying to get it back I replaced a cut off valve that had a torn diaphragm the other day. I adjusted the fuel mix after warmed up with the o2 sensor unplugged I was able to Get it to 0.7 v on a volt meter with it unplugged and it sounded really good then when I shut it off and plugged in the 02 sensor and started it back up it would not stay running it wanted to stall shortly after starting . any ideas?
     
  2. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
    50
    I also unplugged the o2 sensor again and it still did not want to stay running what could cause this
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    What year/model/version? (I assume it is a US Bosch CIS model?)
     
  4. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
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    Build date. Dec 87 328 gts
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    OK -- but is it a US version, or is it a euro version that has been "converted" (quasi-Lambda) for US importation?

    Have you:

    1. Verified that you do have spark on both banks during engine running (or during starter motor cranking if the engine won't run at all)?

    2. Checked to see if the frequency valve "buzzes" whenever the fuel pump is running = it should (i.e., unplug the safety switch, turn the key "on", listen, or feel, to confirm the fuel pump is running, and the feel the frequency valve to see if it is (correctly) buzzing.

    Also, for background, when you were manually adjusting the mixture (and things seemed to be working), were you able to "swing" the unplugged O2 sensor voltage from 0.1~0.2V (lean) to 0.8~0.9V (rich) and back again?
     
  6. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
    50
    Yes I could swing the voltage back and forth . I have spark frequency is buzzing i do have fuel. It ran before I changed the cut off valve it just had a roaming idle and it had hesitation under load . So after checking the cut off valve and seeing it was plugged with carbon I pulled it off and inspected it and seen that the diaphragm was ripped in 2 places . Put a good one in . It started up seemed to be to be running rich
     
  7. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
    50
    Us version sorry about that
     
  8. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    That would make sense if it was previously tweaked up with a failed cutoff valve diaphragm (allowing extra oxygen into the exhaust upstream of the O2 sensor/sampling point during warm-running - so extra fuel is wrongly added to compensate). Are you saying that you needed to make (and did make) a huge "lean" tweak after replacing the cutoff valve? Since you describe that all the other systems are perfectly well, and it was running previously before (even if poorly), I'd just try going back in the other direction a bit towards where it was (i.e., add a little richness). The next fallback position is to set the mixture screw per the Mondial 8/QV WSM initial procedure using the "remove a FD output line/turn mixture screw rich until some fuel comes out/turn another fixed amount from there" method (but I'd just try a little blind hunting first before resorting to that extra BS ;)). Good Hunting!
     
  9. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
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    Yes that's right . I will try the blind hunting first I will let you Know.if.that.works thanks
     
  10. tepps

    tepps Karting

    Oct 15, 2010
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    AS Steve said, base setting( with fuel pump running) remove an injection line from top of fuel distributor. Watch for slight fuel output, maybe a drop every 10 seconds,if no fuel comes out adjust so just a small amount rises out of the port. Put line back on and run engine. Without a Gas analyzer you are left with turning adjustment screw to the left until it runs rough, then to the right until it runs rough, then finding the middle where it will run smooth.This is a method to use if you want to get it close without a 4 gas analyzer. Once again all other systems must be in order so you are not compensating for vacuum leaks, timing issues, etc.You are probably looking at minor adjustments at this point, of maybe one turn or less. Tepps
     
  11. fastcarslowride

    fastcarslowride Karting

    May 21, 2012
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    I went outside and messed with it for a liitle while I seem to be able to get the 02sensor to around .8 v when unplugged if I get it down to .7 v it seems to want to run rough can that be a symptom of a vacume leak? I am going to have my brother come by tonight he's a BMW mechanic I am hoping he can help me some . I will report back after we do that and any ideas on the rough at .7 v thing.
     
  12. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
    26,655
    30°30'40" N 97°35'41" W (Texas)
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    Steve Magnusson
    ~0.8V is no sin ;).

    How does it run when you plug the O2 sensor in? (I.e., does it warm idle OK as the O2 voltage makes the larger closed-loop swings from lean-to-rich and back?)
     

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