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How many 430 manifolds crack?

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  1. Juan.S

    Juan.S Rookie

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    My F1 2007, has 24k miles and they are broken months ago, I have bought the last week a FABSPEED headers and today i've left the car at the workshop
     
  2. Caeruleus11

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    The IronMan Suit is fantastic!
     
  3. bball16

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    If you have them replaced under Ferrari's program does that extend the life of the factory warranty?
     
  4. redduke

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    I've done 12,000 miles on my MKII headers with no sign of failure so far.

    Has ANYONE needed MKIIs replacing due to failure rather than paranoia?

    I also had my muffler/silencer tubes welded (£60) to cure the white dust problem. I can thoroughly recommend this!
     
  5. bball16

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    Is it a done deal that they are all going to fail? Has anybody 05-07 not had to replace them with decent mileage on their cars? Does it hurt resale value on those years if they haven't been replaced?
     
  6. PbPedis

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    There is at least one person on this forum who needed his MkII headers replaced. Can't remember who it was.

    My MkI failed at about 6000 miles.
     
  7. RBarbieri

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    I have an 06 with 9,000 miles that I just bought. Based on the service documentation I have, which is decent but not complete, the headers were never replaced. Visually inspecting them I can't see any signs that the bolts/nuts ever had a wrench on them. They aren't leaking and the emissions warranty runs out shortly. I'm nervous.
     
  8. 2000YELLOW360

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    I'm on my third set. Last set done in 13. First set made it to 11k. They were replaced with M2, which lasted 24k. I have an early 07 coupe.

    Art
     
  9. CChung

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    Can you post a picture of your muffler showing the welds? I'm about to have it done on my 430 and want to show the shop what it should look like. Thanks a lot!
     
  10. hardtop

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    I would recommend you bring the car to a dealer before the warranty expires and have them
    check them very carefully. They have listening devices and gas detectors that will reveal a leak long before you can hear it. The earlier a leak is discovered, the less chance of motor damage.

    Dave
     
  11. Noblesse Oblige

    Noblesse Oblige F1 Veteran

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    And if you are on good terms with the dealer, you can suggest that they replace the headers under warranty a few months before it expires.
     
  12. bball16

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    Are the dealers open to that suggestion? Don't they have to return the defective parts to Ferrari?
     
  13. redduke

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    #63 redduke, Mar 30, 2014
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    Here's a couple of shots. The first shows the powder emerging before welding. The second shows the neat weld that can be achieved.
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  14. MacF430

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    What does the white powder mean exactly? That there is a leakage? I have the same on mine :(
     
  15. F430giallomodena

    F430giallomodena Formula Junior

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    white powder comes from the insulation material they put between two layers of tinplate... the main problem with Ferrari exausts is that both tinplates are so thin that they really explode under repeated high pressure, such as high revs driving...
     
  16. MacF430

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  17. Labman

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    Mine starting to do the same. I take it the muffler has to come out to do this welding?


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  18. F430giallomodena

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    to me, it makes no sense in changing your exaust if you have this little problem. The main problem you will have to really take care are exaust manifolds/headers which, if they do fail, can cause lots of problems to your engine.

    Not Always anyway headers failure will burst your car...I mean, if your failure is on the outer tinplate, the only thing you will hear is an increased loud sound (air escaping from cracs) but this is not a severe damage for the engine.
    The worst thing meanwhile that can happen is failure of the internal tinplate, which causes metal to be sucked into combustion chamber...

    The strange thing is that among all friends I have none has ever had headers failure here in Switzerland (on F430 or 360), even my car is perfect...and we drive a lot, at least more than most americans that buy cars and leave them in garage...
    Therefore I cannot understand why so many failures on cars that are basically not driven.....
     
  19. Joe@Fabspeed

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    Not trying to be negative but Ferrari designs and manufactures the worlds very best dynamic passionate sports cars. Ferrari headers have been a Achilles heal and are terrible from 355 to 430 cars both the regular 430 and 430 Scuderia.

    You can fix the poor design and metallurgy on 355 headers and other headers as the base material and design was poor from inception. Ferrari is a wonderful company but even Porsche has big widespread problems on engines to braking systems so even the Germans have trouble.

    The Ferrari 430 headers that are being exchanged are still poor as a precat is jammed into the 4 into 1 header collector and heat and cheap materials have these failing as well. It's happening. Fabspeed designed engineered and street racetrack and dyno developed race quality simple bolt on direct replacement high performance headers for the 355, 360, 430, and 458 cars .

    These headers add major sports car sound and power across the rpm band and are super easy to install. Eliminating the rediculous precat on 360 and 430 cars adds major power and sports car sound all day long and is a bulletproof permanent upgrade and fix for these cars.

    Fabspeed was the very first company in the world to develop and perfect these Ferrari high performance headers.

    This week end will have an open house Saturday may 10th and you are all invited and we will have plenty of 348, 355, 360, 430, 458, and a new F12 available so you can see actual components and parts and our engineering manufacturing facility with an exotic car show as well.

    I love these cars but all these OEM companies cut corners on certain hard parts from Porsche to mclaren Lamborghini to Ferrari.......if you are driving these cars the catalytic converters and exhaust is often a weak point . Power and sports car sound can be liberated cost effectively and potential catastrophic damage permanently eliminated.

    See you at our show or perhaps the Reading Concours!
     
  20. raider1968

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    My 2006 Spider headers went after 4000 plus mies
     
  21. Fastviper

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    Humm, I had mine replaced last year under warranty. 05 8000 miles.. So now I am out of the 8 year deal? Or does the 8 year deal start over if they are replaced?
     
  22. Labman

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    Mine is an '07 that were changed at 5k miles. That is a good question that I don't know if anyone has the answer to.


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  23. maomaoferrari

    maomaoferrari Karting

    Jan 23, 2004
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    is this a problem with F430 only or includes the Scuderia as well? I just picked up a Scuderia and am a little worried.
     
  24. F430giallomodena

    F430giallomodena Formula Junior

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    scuderia is not involved , as CS isn't too..no precats means lower back pressure that causes failure.
     
  25. 4ROARE

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    I'm with 1919A4, this stuff scares me. I drive an '05 F430 and have over 24,000 miles on it. If I suffer a failure like that (out of warranty) my wife will make me take a night job as a bag boy to pay for it. And then she'd still give me grief.
     

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