Paul Walker from Fast and Furious died in a wreck...

I wonder if there is ANY car of ANY make that:

With that driver, that speed at that location, with those tires...

Would have behaved any better.

Well, street car, anyway.



Well, we all knew that SOMEONE would sue Porsche. Deepest pockets theory.

 

I am familiar with the CGT and aged tires.

I will still argue that it was the speed they were going that caused the accident and the accident investigators seem to agree.

If they would have been doing the speed limit, they wouldn't have exceeded the limit of adhesion of the tires on that car, aged or not. You can not definitively say that with new tires the limits of adhesion would not have been exceeded at the speed they were going.

 

Bad decision making + 612 hp drivers car + excess speed + inappropriate location + 9 year old tyres = unfavourable outcome

 

Most accurate and concise.


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Apparently no **automatic** engine bay fire extinguisher, which would have saved at least one occupant. That's pure "owner error" as they are cheap, quick, and easy to install.

 

CGT is tricky to drift. Perhaps 200 or so worldwide who could do it once the tires lost traction. In contrast, a more balanced, tamer car such as a 240sx has perhaps 200,000 people worldwide who could manage.

 

Paul Walker died in a car crash? You don't say....
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Carrera GT has perfect balance .
You are incorrect .

 

You don't understand drifting. Mid-engine and rear-engine cars are problematic to bring back into control once the tail goes wide.

Inertia. Physics.

50/50 weight distribution for linear driving is one thing...sideways is another.

Back to the point: CGT's are problematic once they lose control/traction sideways. Other cars, less so. Many cars can be saved even with the rear swinging out wildly.

 

I understand drifting very well thank you very much .
I merely pointed out that the Carrera gt has perfect balance for it's intended purpose . Your 200 people in the world can exploit a Carrera gt I do not agree with . All 612 bhp cars with no stability management are "problematic when they break traction" for those not skilled enough to deal with that situation . The Carrera GT has huge reserves of mechanical grip over tyre grip , allowing you to get the car almost as sideways as you want . That's the sign of a hugely capable chassis. It is only really lack of skill and feel for what the car is doing/telling you that can cause an averagely talented driver problems on the road .
I agree there are cars easier to control at and above the limit and there are better cars to drift but people should buy cars they are good enough to drive and the above could apply to almost any car . There's always an easier car to race , drift , drive . I would say that correcting a car stepping out is still a different thing to drifting a car anyway .

It's the driver , the decisions he made and where he made those decisions that caused this terrible accident not the driftability of the Carrera gt .

The point is the driver should never have got in that position in the first place , not how good a drift car the Carrera gt is . Of all the cars I have owned , driven , drifted and raced , few communicate as well as the Carrera gt . It tells you exactly what it is doing , it is a tool nothing more and nothing less . It does exactly what you tell it to . After 30,000 miles in 2 Carrera gt's (the vast majority to , on and from track) I consider myself to be in a relatively safe position to comment on the Carrera gt's handling .

 

You don't come off as qualified to comment on it. Perhaps you are, but just aren't going about it properly.

For one thing, you aren't even subscribed to this forum, a whopping $15/year. People too cheap for $15 are more often poseurs bragging about the cars of their friends instead of their own, but I supposed it is possible that you are just too lazy to subscribe instead of too broke.

For another thing, you are commenting on miles driven instead of on traction limits at various angles, especially extreme angles.

Even *IF* you actually own a CGT, driving it as a grocery-getter to and from a track is vastly different from pushing its performance limits.

...but again, it may be that you are entirely qualified and simply haven't displayed such qualifications.

That's what I'm pointing out to you. Maybe you are so qualified that you simply take it for granted that everyone else knows.

But you have no posted name, no website, and don't list any cars on your unsubscribed profile.

If someone respectable can vouch for you then that would go a long way.

 

I don't understand your tone .
This is a forum , a place where enthusiasts united by their love of something ( in this instance cars) communicate and exchange ideas .

I was not aware I needed witnesses to be able to post my opinions and experiences . I have no desire to impress you or present you with witnesses to "vouch" for me . I have plenty of friends and acquaintances without having to jump through hoops to make any more especially when they are so unnecessarily defensive , abrasive and borderline insulting . I have been courteous and polite to you ,(I merely offered a slightly different perspective) . One would usually expect the same in return . I dare say our discussion does not paint you in the most flattering light from my perspective , I truly hope this is just the written word being interpreted differently than if it was spoken .

You are correct about the subscription thing though , something I should have got around to doing earlier .


I will desist from responding to your posts (correct or otherwise) in the future . Congratulations and Good day .

 

Well, in all fairness I do need to work on my online tone. It's a work in progress. Character flaw, perhaps.

Looking forward to seeing you subscribe and list your cars in your profile.

 

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I will say that WTdoom is extremely knowledgeable about the CGT. I have read many intelligent comments he has spoken on Rennlist which is obviously a die hard Porsche forum.
I don't understand the subscription comment as I would think forums are an area of free speech?

In any case, the CGT is a car that demands respect as any vehicle does. The Walker incident is sad all around and there will always be speculation. It only makes me appreciate and respect the car every time I drive it.


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drifting had nothing to do with this,it was stupid driving

 

+1
It isn't about being cheap, it's just a choice and no requirement. I don't even get why people bring that up in a thread, especially one like this one.

 

Because they are jelous that someone is drifting a cgt while they are drifting a 240sx and pointing out that the guy driving the nicer car is "cheap" for not subscribing makes them feel better about themselves. Absolutely no other reason.

 

Ahhhh... that must be it. It couldn't be that a guy claiming to currently own a 288 GTO, an F40, an F50, an Enzo, and 2 CGT's...but too cheap/lazy to pay $15 to subscribe would *ever* in the entire history of the Internet be an online poseur.

Just jealously. That's **THE** only, single reason that could explain mentioning not subscribing.

Brilliant!

Apparently, in your little Internet, you've never run across a faker. In fact, anyone challenging bold online claims must just be...jealous.

Couldn't be ANY OTHER reason according to you.

Oh, my...

 

I still don't understand why some people resort to this? It's completely unrelated to the argument at hand. No Doubt, you have an awful attitude. FWIW, Doom is well-known by those who frequent the Supercar section of this forum and he is no poseur. Looks like he paid $50 for a Rossa Subscription - is he worthy of your time now?

 

Wtdoom's tone and attitude in this thread are not consistent with those of a poseur. Yes, there have been many fakes on all these boards, but he doesn't come across as one.

Who cares what he owns, this is an open discussion and his posts do make sense regarding grip and slip driving. Show a single error in his posts that warrant being called out on. A more pleasant tone would encourage members to remain active.

I also find it hugely hilarious that you think a 240SX is superior to a Carrera GT in ANY aspect. It's a popular drift car since it's cheap to buy, easy to mod, and painless to discard.

 

Watch your tone. No Doubt is no doubt an automotive connoisseur. He drifts a Nissan. He can do as he pleases. Respect the man.

 

He was always worthy of my time, and he looks less like a poseur now that he's managed to subscribe.

Is he well known? He posts on 2 threads out of all of Fchat, and no one seems to know him personally.

 

He brought up his ownership of 2 CGT's. Don't you care?

 

Right now tell the group about YOUR experience with the cgt. Clearly your smarter then the rest of us and have seem through wtdooms thin vanneer and seem him for the 15 yr old fan boy he is. He's never posted pics of his collection or videos. No one on the internt has even seen him in his cars either. What a fraud. Maybe you should do your own home work before calling someone out as a "faker" instead of demanded proof that up until now he has freely shared with us.