There could have been decreased demand for 599 because some buyers opted for 458 instead...but I would add that the lower demand in 2010 for the 599 was also a function if where it was in its life cycle. The long waiting lists and used car premiums are only typically in the early days (years?) of these cars' lives...many examples...so, "perhaps" the 458 siphoned some 599 wait list buyers (we likely won't know unless someone here chimes in with their personal choice). Looking ahead to the 458 "M" and it's impact on F12 demand, don't forget the 458 was the new sheet of paper design back in 2010 and the next mid engine v8 is akin to 360 to 430 update... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I see your point - But for what ever reasons IMO the 458M will have some impact less or more we can only wait and see
I just received my confirmation for a VIP factory tour and Tailor Made configuration session for the new F12 on Monday June 16th. I am so excited. How many months should I anticipate from this spec session to delivery from others experience??
Congrats - My experience was ordering my 458 spider in Feb 2012 and receiving the car in October 2012. June would be a good time to spec your car you'll be assured of a 2015 model
I just did the spec's on my F12 on April 28th and went Red 10 on April 29th. It is a July build, a 2015 and if it get's out of the factory before the August shut down, I may see it in August. Best guess, will see it in September. Can't wait!! Hope is does not take 6 months like my 458 took from Red 10 to picking up the car.
Once the car is configured at the Tailor Made studio is the spec sheet then sent to the dealer who places the order? Sorry that this may have been explained elsewhere, but I searched other threads and could not find details.
The order is placed into production by the factory.Your assistant at the Tailor made will give you his or her business card Then you can stay in touch via email as well as keeping your sales rep at the dealer in the loop at all times
I don't know how it works in the US, my order - consists of 3 layer tailor made paint - was confirmed March 28. I learned last Fri (9th May) that i am to collect it on Fri 20 June '14 at the dealer; including the dealer having installed the Capristo exhaust - i believe they will receive the car on 18 June to their premises
The situation in the US sometimes seems kind of dysfunctional, or hit-or-miss, and it's not clear why. Perhaps it is the relationship between the factory and the US dealers. The waits can definitely be very long, but I think the challenge that Ferrari has with a product like the F12 is that they don't do a very good job of communicating with people who are waiting. It's really pretty much a wall of silence. That may be OK with people who've been around the block already with a Ferrari purchase, but I can see how it could discourage, or even unsettle, a first-time buyer. (If they're so distant when I'm buying, how will they be when I'm an owner?) Even the best luxury car dealers seem to do a pretty scattershot job of communicating unless an actual delivery is imminent. And as for Ferrari US, they seem beset by some of the same issues that other foreign luxury brands (cars, watches) encounter here: the people representing them in their "boutiques" are often young, often stylish, often attractive, but they don't seem like be into serving customers all that much. And often there are variations within the same corporate umbrella. Maserati, for example, after years of a similarly sleepy approach in the US, is suddenly very aggressive with customer outreach.
Ferrari is becoming the same. Ferrari SF contacts me on a weekly basis to try to sell me on another car...I suspect the F12. I'm loving my 599 HGTE too much at the moment to transition...and especially with used cars marked up $100K over sticker. I don't line the pockets of speculators. I'll wait till they are $250K with 2000 miles!!!
I absolutely agree. A funny story. On April 15th I was on the Ferrari factory tour. One of the guys on the tour asked the guide if she could locate his car as according to his US dealer the car would be finished in early May. Later during the tour she reported to him that the car was completed and left the factory on April 4th. The guy was incredulous that his dealer didn't know this. Last week I ordered a Covercraft car cover for my 612. Here is my shipping info available to me online - Hartford, CT, United States 05/22/2014 2:03 P.M. Departure Scan 05/22/2014 1:49 P.M. Arrival Scan Horsham, PA, United States 05/22/2014 9:27 A.M. Departure Scan 05/22/2014 8:58 A.M. Arrival Scan New Stanton, PA, United States 05/22/2014 3:00 A.M. Departure Scan New Stanton, PA, United States 05/21/2014 10:52 P.M. Arrival Scan Columbus, OH, United States 05/21/2014 7:25 P.M. Departure Scan 05/21/2014 1:59 P.M. Arrival Scan Indianapolis, IN, United States 05/21/2014 10:47 A.M. Departure Scan 05/21/2014 6:45 A.M. Arrival Scan Earth City, MO, United States 05/21/2014 1:00 A.M. Departure Scan 05/21/2014 12:24 A.M. Arrival Scan Mesquite, TX, United States 05/20/2014 12:40 P.M. Departure Scan 05/20/2014 12:46 A.M. Arrival Scan Wichita Falls, TX, United States 05/19/2014 9:06 P.M. Departure Scan 05/19/2014 7:42 P.M. Origin Scan 05/19/2014 4:08 P.M. Pickup Scan United States 05/19/2014 4:47 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS That is for a $280 car cover. Meanwhile this guy buys a $350,000 car and the dealer has no idea where TF it is!
I thoughts you guys would get a kick out of this and sadly won't find it surprising. I am a potential first time F car buyer. Have owned Porsches for years. Always loved them but wanted to take the leap and try a Ferrari. I have been invited to several F car events and focused on a dealer (my area doesn't have a dealer so I have some flexibility). Got the "buy a FF and we will do cartwheels for you" pitch. I tried but can't get over the rear as much as I love the car. Focused on a F12 and asked dealer I have been working with if I could get one in a year. He basically said I want hottest car right away (a year is right away?) and haven't earned the right to have one. I ordered a 991 Turbo S Cab. Dealer couldn't have been nicer or more appreciative. Will have car within 90 days of ordering. They assigned a Porsche specialist to help me with my order. They invited me to Birmingham to try a 998. Maybe it works for others but arrogance doesn't play well with me especially when I am buying something of this magnitude.
I do not blame you. It's all part of the shtick...these cars are really hard to get...yada yada yada, enjoy your Pcar. we love ours. Best
Not all dealers are this stupid, but many apparently are... Porsches are awesome cars. I hope you really enjoy yours! John
It's really unfortunate for the brand and prospect buyers in certain markets for what they seem to endure. Enjoy your iconic Turbo S to the fullest... Cheers,
I hear you. I have patiently awaited my "turn" to begin buying new Ferraris. Finally was able to purchase a new 599 HGTE 60F1 and it seems to have opened up opportunities for me for other new cars. Going to spec out a Tailor Made F12 at the factory next month. Still, took 20 years and 10 Ferraris to get to this point. Patience is not my strong suit, but I dearly love the cars from Maranello. You have to admit, their business model is pretty compelling
Well I wasn't there obviously, but firstly I think what he meant by "right away" was not the one year wait but that your first F car was a brand new top of the line car (LaFerrari excluded). Secondly, in fairness when you have a limited production high demand product, any vendor is going to favor his/her regular customers over a stranger who walks in off the street. For example, you want to order the new 2015 911 GT3. You go to your dealer where you have bought many Porches over the years. He says sorry Tom, we're only allocated two of these and two guys who have never owned a Porsche wanted to see what they are like so we sold the cars to them. How would you feel? That dealer may have long term customers who want an F12. Is he going to stiff one of them so you can get one? Loyalty is a two way street.
I understand and agree in principle with favoring loyal customers. But what I find bothersome is dealers pressuring new buyers to buy cars to clear their stock and in return earn the desired car sooner. Given that dealers have limited allocations, this scheme gains the new buyer favoritism, perhaps even ahead of "loyal" customers. To me, it's kind of like paying the dealer a kickback of sorts.
If anyone is willing to come to Brazil, there is a brand new F12 sitting in the showroom for quite a few days now. The color is amazing, that new aluminum matte finish. Price? US$ 1.4 million.
Tom I understand your frustration but Paul (Nospinzone) has it correct. One thing you have to understand- and it is difficult to accept- things are just wildly different in Ferrariland. In someways its kind of like playing golf: lots of frustration but the times things work out make it worth it to those of us who love the marque. You are definitely in good company with a long line of people who feel exactly the same way as you do. Take your time and if and when you are ready for it, the cars will be there. If its the F12 you really love, I suggest you just wait a few years and they will be better buys as pre owned vehicles with some miles on them. Its hard to accept in a "must have it now" world, but its just how it is.
I couldn't agree more. Loyal customers should be prioritized. That wasn't my issue. It was the arrogance that was. I decided against cut and pasting the email but it was the most obnoxious email I have ever received from a salesman.
I understand a particular salesperson can be very offensive, but to not get the car you want because one person wasn't nice to you really limits your choices. You might find this thread of interest - https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-discussion-not-model-specific/445469-dealership-attentiveness-apparently-varies.html People have been met with worse than you but still got their car. In fact see post #25, even a Porsche dealer can be as bad.
