Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The mods have received a complaint against giacomodiroma's post above, but in reviewing the history of the posts by ginge82, that giacomodiromoa is commenting on, he does have a point.

If anyone has contributed to taking the most recent pages of this thread off-topic, it is ginge82 with his incessant attacks on Peloton25, both with his stalking and his deliberate contortions on Peloton25's username. None of these posts have anything to do with discussing LaF/918/P1.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT ANOTHER USER POSTS, PUT THEM ON IGNORE. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT, THEN YOU WILL BE BANNED.

 

back to the topic of tires. the guesstimate for the new 'cup' should be similar to the previous improvement of cup vs ps2 on GT2 RS. on that car, at the Ring, it allowed the GT2 to go roughly 10 seconds quicker than the standard tires, with that time of ~ 7:30, and that time was also faster than CGT on its regular Michelins. the CGT never ran on those Cup tires, but it of course would've gone faster, and the advantage would've been in the same 10 second range. when Porsche eventually and inevitably runs the 918 with these new 'cup'/track biased tires, I'm pretty confident it will lap in under 6:50..and do so comfortably. these new Michelins are to compete with the Pirelli Trofeo R, such as fitted to Camaro Z28. That car is fitted with massive size 305mm wide front tires!!! by far widest front tires on production car...and it being one of the stickiest tires you can buy...that's the main reason why Z28 is such a monster on track. The car was developed around those tires. It's really not surprising that any new 'cup' tire would be developed alongside 918.

 

First post by giacomodiroma that I liked. Kudos to the mods.

 

Are you going to completely IGNORE who deliberately contorted usernames first? You will find it was Peloton25 with 'Gagme82' in place of 'Ginge82'. I merely returned the compliment. You will find his instigating the contorting of usernames in post #9297. Perhaps you overlooked that?

You should perhaps set aside some time to review his numerous insults to posters that also include myself. Feel free to also review his numerous posts that have zero to do with these three cars.

If you feel so strongly about stalking you should be equally concerned about a certain individual's stalking of anything remotely negative said about Mclaren in this very thread.

I won't exactly be waiting for a fair review of the above issues though. For the record:

Your first quote is regarding his illogical statement about Mclaren and Porsche.
The second an acknowledgement that I have reviewed a forum ANOTHER poster linked to in this thread.
The third an acknowledgement that Peloton is now posting on that forum ANOTHER member linked to here.
The forth a RESPONSE to being told that I have an 'unhealthy fixation' by Peloton25. Once again I returned the compliment.
The fifth, correcting another poster that attempted to insult me.
The sixth I think is a fair question.

If you are attempting to find quotes that demonstrate that I have overstepped the mark you need to try harder. Really.

 

So many posters... So many opinions, yet... So few owners.

 

Man this guy needs to be on some beta blockers. The pretension is thick.

Yep! I would hope if someone owned one of these cars they would have better things to be doing than reading the drivel in here

 

Why don't we have a similar like/dislike posts feature on this forum? It would improve things dramatically for the readers and give the users a little more democratic power, IMO, rather than just having the options of putting on ignore or being banned if somebody disagrees with someone. Just a thought!

 

They are lifetime owners of the 1:18 variety.

 

You are ****ing with me if you think I'm going back 400 posts to find a source of irritation for you. If you haven't learned to let something go that took place that many posts ago, you don't belong here.

You're not getting the message. STOP.

24 hour ban.

 

Is the new 650 production level for real? It would tie in with what Luca has suggested and play to Ferraris commercialism?

 

Haven't spoken with any of my sources for ages - could someone provide a quick insight to where this 650 rumour is coming from?

 

Giacomodiroma. Need I say more?

 

I also heard this about 650 units and it was recently from an employee working within Ferrari's commercial team in Maranello. Doesn't seem to be either a rumour or a secret anymore.

 

Interesting tidbit:

"The new plan is to precede fast laps with slow regen ones to fully replenish the battery while holding the car in Race Hybrid Mode through the early corners (where the engine's extra power is pressed into service generating electricity). Only when he reaches the two high-speed straights will Randy press the go-for-it Hot Lap button, which blows through the battery's energy without attempting to recharge. With the new rubber fitted, the car accelerates away.

You have to get the lap time done while the batteries are up."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1405_2015_porsche_918_spyder_first_test/lap_times.html#ixzz32dJwb5xC



So the 918 will be inconsistent and fast laps require setting up the lap a certain way?

 

Probably isolated incident?

Didn't hear about that on the other test (especially Sports Auto, who went around The Ring 5 Times, and performed a bunch of other performance test)?

Top Gear and CH drove like mad on a track as well. Auto Express just completed a test (with a very good driver) and didn't mention this either.

Not sure if they (the MT test) drained the batteries first during economy testing, or that was an earlier prototype that was wasn't ready/fit (for Randy Pobst driving), or just giving problems? But I wouldn't worry about that too much at this stage for a multiplicity of reasons.

Autocar and Car and Driver test coming up as well, for those that are interested in this and other aspects.

I suspect Doom may chime in?

 

If you keep pushing lap after lap the battery will drain. Same thing, if not worse, in the P1. That's where the LaF will shine as the combustion engine has a much bigger share of the power and it's the one that recharges the better; from abs, e-diff, traction control, normal brakes ...

Forza Ferrari!

 

Not true. It depends on how much each car needs the battery to accomplish things. The 918 might need way more electric power to get things done than the other cars. In fact, I guarantee it needs more because it has way more capacity in the first place.

It's possible the P1 and LF simply don't use as much electric power to accomplish the same thing.

 

I remain skeptical as always when these sort of things circulate online. If it would turn out to be true, are we talking about a post-production or an extension of the planned production?

I'm particularly skeptical of this rumour because I know of several people that have tried just about everything you can do to get a hold of a slot for LaF. They have not been successful. The factory has done their best to accomodate them and attempt to secure a slot through both the formal and informal channels, but to no use. If there was serious talk of an extended run, I'm pretty sure the sort of people that I'm referring to would be notified - something they have not been at this current time. They are the sort of client that fulfills all of Ferrari's criteria, but were simply too late in securing a slot.

 

But is it a fact?

 

Yet it has the smallest battery. We saw Chris Harris driving the P1 quite aggressively for a few laps around the track and the battery was never depleted.

They will all run out of e-power at some point with a professional driver behind the wheel.

 

Isn't it widely accepted that they made more Enzos than they claimed? If so, why is making more LFs unlikely?

 

They made a number post-production cars, which is not the same as the ordinary production run. With regard to the Enzo, the additional production run and so on has been explained thoroughly numerous times on the forum. See linked posts below.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143063558-post89.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142930732-post11.html

It's likely that they will produce additional LaF's, but I'm curious if this means an extension of the production run or a planned post-production run.

 

Ferrari say that the only way to deplete the battery is to accelerate to top speed repeatedly and for a great number of times without using the brakes in order to regenerate energy. Basically then, you cannot deplete it unless you have a 100 mile straight and try deliberately to do so.

 

Ferrari's sentiments aside: I think Mark Antar is correct.

Most professional drivers can/will deplete these cars at some point, driving them repeatedly at 8-10/10ths on a track.

Obviously, this won't be the case with the overwhelming majority of drivers or owners, so it's really a mute issue.

You only see or really hear about these things when really ace drivers are trying to set track records. Neither Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris, Richard Hammond (who are very good drivers), etc., mentioned or experienced any of this.

Most owners, won't have the skill, intentions or cojones to do so (set all time track records like a pro).

Saying all that: There's obviously trade offs with the new technology. Which is one of the reasons these cars probably won't be raced by their factories, privateers or owners for various reasons. However, I'm sured they'll be enjoyed like crazy on the road, and their various track jaunts?

 

Well know today or tomorrow about this.

Hope it's true so I can try and jump into the list.

Mbn