Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Did you catch the post I submitted above Doom (I'm sure you knew much of it. But didn't realize how wrong certain statements were regarding $$/$1 mil Porsche playing field)? SMH

Yes, we already know the cachet, name recognition argument, minus a few McLaren zealouts perceptions.

Wow, "only 1/10 people cite McLaren when asked about a sports car maker (from their own people)". Yet, some would want us to believe that their at the forefront and tips of everyone's mouth's.

 

Yes mate , very interesting .
There are dozens of Porsches that have actually increased proportionately ( based on original sale price ) a lot more than even the f1 . Don't even start of the big ferraris .

 

Cachet and name recognition arguments when the boss man says they are "not in the same league" is just the funniest thing .
Hilarious

 

Yes, the analyst, media and cognoscenti who follow this seem to be really big on Porsche and the German collectible market (led by Mercedes and Porsche) as a whole. We'll see?

Indeed; from an investors view point, you could argue there's plenty of absolute value built into many Porsche's relative to their current and original list prices....They have steadily increased in the most recent years as you noted.

Ironically, one of Porsche's biggest advantages, have kept their appreciation at relatively reasonable levels over the years (their ability to sell lots of cars; how fun they are to drive, and durability of them). Owners trashed them; running up the miles! Lol. Of course this recent price run up iis taking place in the limited, special edition vehicle market as well.

We'll see where the market goes in the next few years?

 

It makes you wonder: Do certain folks post to troll/elicit responses? Or are they really that clueless and myopic in their vision, recollection, perspective and analysis (with all due respect and fairness)????

We all like/prefer certain things, people in life. But Come on!! Lol

Scary.

 

Wrong order.

Ferrari founded in 1929

Porsche founded in 1931

 

it can be argued that they are actually the same horse .
It is the horse of stuttgart . Enzo took the cavalino rampante from the colours of a famous Italian fighter pilot , however what isn't known widely is the pilot in question took it from a German pilot he had shot down yet respected . His was the horse of stuttgart .
So you see , almost the same horse !

 

Exept the Ferrari one has a boner.

 

Yet on this forum there's no two sentences without them. Yawn...

 

Yes. It's a rather noisy minority; seemingly always drawing attention to themselves, even when there is no plausible reason to.

 

Only because most of all of you no nothing, or little. For example, do you know why LaFerrari choose to go with M46J and not M60 or multiaxial? Why nobody talk of this yet? In test maked by Quattroruote magazine I speak with my friend Gian Luca and he say me that is a mistake Ferrari regret now because is causing big problem on the bumpy road in corner because load is heavy, not light as they first expect. (They always use semi-quantitive development because detail datas not is always available) So many Ferrari engineers want to change original structure but is very expensive now and LdM overdecide that a average driver will not no. Is very possible the fast driver will detect tensile modulus problem but so it will be dealed with on private consultation. Fasination no?

 

I ask you please, what has this comments in regard to LaFerrari?
How you say it? WTF?

 

Boner? What is?

 

so... because most people here are clueless, "know nothing", you prefer to comment on waaaay off-topic things? if you know something, anything, why not put more effort into sharing it? that would be constructive, as that's the whole point of 'on/near topic' discussion. a certain individual might ''know'' 'this', another person might know 'that', so when they are in discussion it is a productive one and everyone then ends up knowing more than they ever did. why not bring up a lot sooner Ferrari's carbon fiber endeavor? CF (composites in general) is a great subject...we can discuss that plenty.

 

penis erection

 

That's fantastic

 

Do You have a positive scoop about laferrari ? Please share With us

 

Yes, I think so. Like I say last time, positive is they will provide more volume.

 

Man these guys are so desperate. A couple statements that Porsche doesn't have million dollar supercar cachet and they start yammering on and on about irrelevant vintage Porsche prices and how McLaren doesn't have as much brand recognition in general.

The 918 is Porsche's first venture into this realm of supercar. This is McLaren's second at-bat and in this particular market they've long established their marque / legend with the F1. Relative newcomers to this market include Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti, brands that have no household name status but surely have million dollar supercar cachet.

Ferrari may not have produced a million dollar MSRP car until now, but since the F40 they've had experience producing cars which are million dollar cars rolling off the line, suggested manufacturer price or not.

I won't be surprised to see some replies including detailed analysis of historical inflation, proper adjustment of the consumer basket and all that minutiae, in some effort to try to win on some point, ignoring the initial truth of the message which has long been lost to arguments of technicality and semantics.

 

Twister champion 2014 , congratulations

I don't suppose it's relevant that the million dollar car is a relatively new occurrence and brand cachet is what actually gets you there .
You also forget that mclarens first foray into this market was an absolute financial disaster and is only recently beginning to get the recognition it ( so rightly )deserves . That was what got the historical subject opened up .
Sorry for the recap but your selective memory needs guidance .

 

the original 'truth'??? what a joke. a 'truth' based on assertions that are just silly.

 

Yes, you are.

I'm not talking about since the beginning of time - I am talking about selling a new road car in the modern era for a price at or near a million dollars. If you are digging around for excuses from before 1980, or trying to capitalize on the success of their historic racers you're missing the point.

I'm also referring to the ability for cars they have produced in the modern era for road use, sold to the general public in quantity, to appreciate to a million dollars or more. Porsche hasn't experienced this with any of their products (barring the 911 GT1 homologation special, which again does not qualify). Their closest effort has been the Carrera GT which sold new for just over $400K, then dipped considerably because of over-production, and many owners who found it more challenging to drive than it should be, to slightly more than half that value. It is now climbing back up in value (partly due to attrition I would guess) despite a growing number of people in the collector car seeing the risk -vs- reward of owning and driving one to be unfavorable. The 959, too, is only just now starting to creep into the million dollar territory as a modern classic but even those sales have been few.

Prior to LaFerrari, Ferrari also had not sold a new road car for $1M (this is correct) but immediately out of the gate the Enzo which stickered for slightly less than $700K was selling in the secondary markets for $1M or more and has continued to appreciate ever since. We've also seen examples of the F40 and F50 selling for more than the $1M mark I mentioned.

>8^)
ER

 

This is false - the F1 project did turn a profit for the company before production ended. Reference CAR Magazine article "Out of the red... into the Black" - January 1997.

The Customer Care Group created to support the F1 customers (which has now morphed into McLaren Special Operations) has continued to be a profit center for the company long after as well. Additionally, had they not taken the leap into road cars with F1 it is fairly reasonable to imagine their partnership with Mercedes to build the SLR and the creation of the McLaren Technology Centre as an offshoot of that would never have taken place. Pull all that from the landscape and there would have been no creation of McLaren Automotive and no modern McLaren production road cars. The investment and strategy to build the F1 has had a cascade effect of building value and opening new markets for the McLaren brand, and the F1's performance on the road, on the track and in the market has brought them considerable praise and recognition since the beginning.

>8^)
ER

 

I'm planing to visit Maranello soon just waiting for my dealer conformation.

So I hope I get a chance to drive a Laferrari for real world feedbacks.

Guys instead of beating Mclaren about the battery overheating issues wich is just a software glitch n some early cars I can copy the SMS from Mclaren tech I received yesterday.

My P1 drives perfectly knock on wood and been updated to the latest software as per Mclaren tech since I wasn't home when he arrived.

Yes I may not like the new 918 spyder but I can see its technology and it's a Porsche I abused my 964 Turbo with power pack making 355hp back then and no matter what the car never broke and kept going.

So if Porsche made a car I'm sure it's top quality faster or slower than my P1 or a Laferrari i won't be bothered 95% cars will see normal road use.

I track my Vipers ACR 's and the Scud and if i want an extreme track car I'll go for a Viper GT3-R.

Or:

Short Copy/paste from Mr.Mike Flewitt email to me.

"The next chapter in the evolution of the McLaren P1(TM)

The P1 'Track'

Mbn

 

It is truly amzing how one can pick and choose to fit things into their shoehorned criteria (such as the GT1, and you're overall post). The F1 was based off of a race car itself. Sure you're not a gymnast or Yoga instructor by trade? Some how I'm sure, if McLaren had a long road car history, some of those cars would be included as well. Sometimes things, people are so transparent.

The F1 is not the modern era of Super car. It was a [both] genius and lucky stroke by McLaren. However, it's considered analog and from a long time ago. Nonetheless, what would McLaren be (and you here for that matter) with out the F1?????????? McLaren's actually the one that lacks the brand cachet, alongside Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti and Ferrari in this arena. Where is its road car legacy of great cars through out the years? One car doesn't cut it. That's what McLaren lacks; great road cars. And that's what creates brand cachet (and that collectible market you may have read about). It's not some personal, invented criteria by a partisan, passionate unrelenting Internet geek. They're are classic/Iconic Porsche's, Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, Jaguars, Bentley's Aston's, and Bugatti's road cars. Where's McLaren's, besides the F1??...... Get my drift now?

I'm not even going to get into your Carrera GT gyrations. The CGT was an instant classic when it came out, and was lauded by the automotive press (see Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear for one example; Car and driver, Road and track, etc.) as one of the best supercars of all time. Sorry, you can't change that, because some insular or daft Ferrari and McLaren loving Internet geeks may have ignored it.

Just because McLaren lacks Porsche's legacy of great Road Cars/Supercars/Iconic cars, don't in turn try to claim Porsche doesn't have one. It makes you appear silly, juvenile and unlearned (with all due respect). This is not fanboyism. It's reality and history. McLaren will create theirs?

I just can't put into words (actually I can, but will refrain) how hard you guys try to twist reality into your own gerrymandered alternate universe. Why not just take a break, give it up, say nothing, or admit when you're wrong (like men) and move on. It's like talking to children.

SMH