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Ricambi and Hill Engineering to the Rescue!

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  1. brent Lachelt

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    #1 brent Lachelt, Jun 10, 2014
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    Been trying to make due with 348 factory throw out bearing and flange over the years. Have been installing new seals when it starts weeping from the back of the flange. However, the weeping has started again and I replaced the seals only a few weeks ago. I guess over time the flange surface starts wearing too. Anyway, I decided to finally take my wise mechanic's advice and purchase the new upgraded throw out bearing assembly and flange made by Hill Engineering from Ricambi.

    Ferrari Parts : CRB355MS 348/F355 Clutch Release Bearing (168594) : Ricambi America

    Ferrari Parts : CRBF348/355M Flange : Ricambi America

    I'm told this will fix this stupid problem once and for all :). I've bought several items from Hill for my 348 over the years and their stuff is always perfect, so I'm looking forward to trying this out. It's supposed to arrive tomorrow, but I'm leaving town this weekend so hopefully I will do the install soon. I recently installed a brand new AP clutch and probably should have done it then, but was hoping the new seals would last and I could save a little money. The triple seals have been replaced and I'm leaking zero gear oil also the flywheel is not leaking any grease and the surface looked good. Here are a few photos from the clutch install a few weeks ago....going back into the pumpkin soon. Pics to follow.
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  2. brent Lachelt

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    #2 brent Lachelt, Jun 11, 2014
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    Wow, that was fast, thanks Ricambi! This stuff almost looks too nice to install :) I hope to start on it next week....I'm a closet Stooge at heart I guess :):)
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    #3 brent Lachelt, Jun 12, 2014
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    Ok, even though I'm not pulling the pumpkin until next week, I decided to install the large seal in the back of the new flange and put the two "loose" threaded studs into the two galley holes. These threaded studs get some thin loctite on them and then are threaded into the galley holes at the top of the flange. They are then cut off with a hacksaw and filed smoothly down. They are needed to keep the hydraulic fluid from gushing out top of the flange when pressurized.

    I know that reading from several threads in this section that getting the seal installed flush and evenly in the flange is critical so I took my time. The harbor freight seal installation kit I own really came in handy. Now I just have to be especially careful not to catch the lip of the seal and fold it back while carefully sliding it in place over the shaft. More to come.
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    Hill Engineering components are great! What did you use to clean the pumpkin? Looks like new!
     
  6. brent Lachelt

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    Actually it was just full strength Simple Green and a good brush. It just took a little while. I too was surprised how well it came out.
     
  7. bcwawright

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    Every thing looks great Brent...best on the new install.
     
  8. AceMaster

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    Looks good
     
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    Wow!! :)

    Makes me want to redo my clutch just for the hell of it!!! ..... :D
     
  10. brent Lachelt

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    Thanks guys. Will post some pics when I do the install. Hoping for a drama free experience:)
     
  11. bmxracer50

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    Brent, great post, I love the detailed pics. Just to make sure I understand, the studs and a film of locktite are all that keeps the clutch fluid from leaking from those holes?
     
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    Yes through the tops. The fluid enters in through the back of the flange with two small o rings sealing it and comes out through the 2 small holes on the flange neck.

    In Paul's video (link below) at 5:05 you can see him remove the flange with the 2 small o rings inset behind it. Maybe someone else can chime in why the holes with the threaded studs are required in the first place? Maybe part of the manufacturing process to drill the 2 vertical channels for the fluid to go through and out the front, to operate the throw out bearing back and forth? Several of these flanges have been used and I haven't heard of any fluid leaking back through those loctite threaded studs.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmpOHpsVLM
     
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    #14 brent Lachelt, Jun 17, 2014
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    Ok had some time last night, so I got the old throw out bearing off along with the flange. Here are a few pictures of the progress. You can see that my problem was the seals in the factory throw out bearing. Actually, I had just recently replaced them a few weeks back, but it just kept slowly weeping. I guess over time the flange surface can wear and the seals don't hold as well.

    I installed the new Hill throw out bearing and flange also tonight. I apologize as I didn't take many pictures. Guess I was distracted. Don't be alarmed with the 5th picture that shows the new stuff installed. I didn't forget to attach the bearing stop that mounts to the two threaded holes on top of the flange. I just forgot to take a picture of it.

    The only headache was putting the pumpkin back on. It took me about 90 minutes. Most of the time is only takes me a couple minutes to get it back on, but for what ever reason I just couldn't get everything to line up. Thankfully, Ernie "my brother from another mother", gave me a couple tips and encouragement about 45 minutes into it :)

    I put the car on the ground and drove it back and forth on the driveway a few times to test the new setup. I wanted to make sure everything worked and that the large seal behind the new flange wasn't leaking before I put the muffler and bumper back on. I know you can do this job while leaving the on, but I've got the bumper removal and install down to a science now and like the extra room it gives me with it off. Happy to report absolutely no leaks and the clutch feels great after a good bleeding.
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    Beautiful job. I went with the Hill flange too, but screwed up the placement of the gasket somehow. Seems it didn't seat very well and it shredded when I installed the flange in the trans. I didn't want to get another $50 part from Ferrari of OC so I just went with the stock flange and things have been working well for 2 1/2 years now. When I go back in there, I will probably install the Hill part with a new gasket.
     
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    Nice job, Brent.
     
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    Vince, I'm sure the only reason I didn't mess that gasket up was because I was able to look at previous people in this forum that had a same challenge with it as you did. Because of those threads I knew the potential problem with not getting the seal flush and needing to be extra cautious while installing the flange. I bet knowing what you do now, you will have zero problems when you go to install it next time. FYI... That Ferrari seal is now $60 :)
     
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    Thanks Mike.
     
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    Well done young Stooge. :p
     
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    LOL..thanks:)
     
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    Just an update, I've driven the car 50 miles since the install. I removed the mesh plate under the bell housing and inspected the area. Absolutely no fluid on the plate or anywhere. Bone dry! Hill products are amazing!!
     
  22. Markphd

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    Ferrari gets it mostly right. Hill comes along and gets the last 1% fixed and you end up with a much better ride. Glad to see you fixed it right!
     
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    Hey all,
    Just wanted to thank you all for the great posts, Paul's videos are really helpful too. Had a slow leak, oil, brake fluid showing up at the lower clutch inspection plate, upgraded to the hill throw out bearing and shaft, all new seals too. Dry as a bone and not that difficult. Triple seals weren't too bad to install, with all the help from you DIY guys, and clutch housing slid home easy. Maybe spent 4 hours total on reassembly, car seems better, shifts better when cold too.
    Thanks again, you guys rock!!
     
  24. ///Mike

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    Hill Engineering rocks as well. We're incredibly lucky to have them supporting our cars! For that reason, I try to support them at every opportunity.
     
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    Yes, hill engineering is great. Only problem I had was sliding the new t/o bearing on the shaft, very tight fit, actually hung up a bit on the final seal but finally got it. Excellent upgrade.
     
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