Scuderia or Ford GT

maybe you should get the GT and if you decide to change in a while you wont lose on the Gt may even be able to trade it for a speciale if you like them .. either way I cannot imagine not being happy with either the SCUD or the GT. both are awesome cars...
be curious to find out what you do..
LarrYh

 

For the Heritage you will be paying a premium; no storied ones are very hard to find. I have both, the scud is starting to look dated from the front, while the GT has an ageless rolling art projection. With mere bolt on's i.e pulley tune,accufab throttle body and cat back,you are pulling 650 HP. FYI: there was a Heritage advertised at the FGT forum for over 400 thousand dollars recently.

 

Man, I love that pic.

 

I would go for the GT. Even though i love the Scuderia, a Ford GT is really a keeper, rarer than Scud and cheaper in maintenance. Heritage edition looks an excellent choice but a dark blue without stripes or a white without stripes looks good too! Of course a GTX would be more epic..but i believe it's hard to find these cars. Does anyone know how many of these were ever produced?

I wish you the best with the purchase.

 

I had a Ford GT and a Scuderia in my garage for a year. I still have the Ford GT so you can see how I vote. But this is a no loser contest. Sort of like picking between Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston. The Ford GT was the favorite when anyone came in the garage. There were four thousand Ford GT's made so the Scuderia actually had less production. Let's not start a Scuderia production debate. Whatever number you use it's less than the Ford. There's just more demand for the GT. It's well built and has a great historic connection.

 

Three brand new Ford GTs turned up in a barn find in Alberta a couple of months ago as well as several Cobras.

 

First time on this forum I've seen the Scud referred to as just a "good" car.

This is really a personal decision more than a "throw it out to the masses" IMO.. Both are great cars and you have to decide which one would make you happy when it's all said and done.

I also looked at both the GT and the Scud, and ended up with the Scud because I wanted the rawness and it's what fit me the best. The GT is an exciting car, the Scud excited me more after driving both.

If you are looking at this from a money perspective, you are looking at this completely wrong... both are unknown quantities as far as future value if you ask me. Certainly the GT bubble makes it attractive, but I don't think it's a car that will skyrocket in value (my humble opinion, of course). If you look at the Challenge Stradale market, it has started to creep up, and I would anticipate that the Scud market may follow suit (why would a CS be worth more than a Scud?). BUT, who really knows? This is the reason I bought exactly what I wanted and what fit me the best.

Both cars should hold a majority of their value and most likely will not tank in value.. and if either one goes down in value, I'd just chalk it up to ownership costs and enjoy the car I wanted the most.

One thing I did not research is how available are aftermarket parts for the GT? Would you really feel comfortable driving it to a FORD dealer for service? Hell, they treated me like my car was just another Ford when I took my Shelby Cobra there and cared less about how I wanted my car treated. I couldn't imagine taking a GT there!

Ferrari, on the other hand, will give you the treatment you would expect with a $200K car (unless you have a bad dealer).

Good luck with your search! There is no bad choice with what you are looking at IMO.

 

Like someone already posted, the GT actually has higher production numbers than the Scuderia.

When I was shopping around last year for GT's and Scuds, I had no problem locating GT's for sale.. albeit, for higher prices. Scuds, on the other hand, were hard to come by and I had 2 sold out from under me before I could secure a deposit on them (the sold within hours of being listed).

For the record, I wanted a Red Scud.. So I need to clarify that. There were grey and black scuds available if I wanted one in either color.

 

I've driven both and honestly the Ford GT was one of the scariest cars I've ever driven, and I've driven a lot. This might be a minority opinion but you need to hear it. It was hard to see out of and the whole car felt poorly built. The interior was claustrophobic. As a frame of reference, I don't find the F40 interior claustrophobic... I was worried I might pull the gear lever out when I shifted. Maybe this was a bad example. The car has a tendency to snap oversteer and I certainly felt that. Yes they are very special and thats reflected in the market price. If you want more of an investment, its the GT. If you want more of a car you will really drive- which is what it sounds like- I would get the Scud. IMHO its not even close. Although different the Ford GT and the Porsche Carrera GT are both in my book very scary rides because they can bite with little warning- though the CGT is worse in that respect. I really wanted to love the FGT and it was a huge letdown for me. Take all this with a grain of salt, it is but one opinion among the others.

 

If you asked this 18 months ago I would have said Ford GT at 160k. Now I would go Scud. IMHO FGT is now overpriced and not rare at all.

 

This is interesting commentary and while I realize it reflects one persons opinion some of it is quite confusing. Let me first agree with your assessment as to the limited outward visibility of the GT, it is by far the toughest car to see out of as the A-pillar's are large and placed such that you really have to move your head/neck to insure that your clear to turn (more so turning left than right of course).

As for level of scariness, I would agree that the GT deserves the utmost respect when it comes to throttle use. As I mentioned previously my car was upgraded with an additional 200 rwhp but even in stock trim you must make sure to exhibit caution when driving on cold tires or in cold, wet, or generally slippery conditions as the car has no tolerance for fools and no nanny-aides to save you should you make such a mistake. It's a car to be taken seriously and should not be underestimated but is very rewarding to drive, especially since it does not have the nagging electronic aides you can't seem to get away from in today's cars.

As to fit and finish I give the GT a high mark as the only thing I had an issue with on my car was the driver seat base cushion which was replaced under warranty and I believe is made by Sparco in Italy so not a Ford issue at all. In fact I think Sparco also makes the sport seats in my CS. Otherwise I found things like the dash, switches, panel fitment to be very, very good even after 13K miles of driving. Early cars had some issues with clamshell hinges but those should all have been resolved by now.

Lastly, I am 6'3" tall and for the sake of reference I weigh approx. 230 lbs with a 36" inseam and have 32"waist. I found that I had to move the seat closer to the steering wheel and still had approx. 2" of travel to the rear. I also had plenty of headroom and it was doable to wear a helmet if necessary. The seats were a bit narrow for my back/shoulders but I have yet find a seat that isn't, so I don't fault Ford for that. There was plenty of leg and knee space for me which is often lacking in other exotics and the car is very comfortable with two people about my size in it. One thing I would recommend is to relocate the obtrusive factory sub woofer to the space behind the passenger seat. I have been in an F40 (and hope to acquire one within the next year for myself) and it is much tighter than the GT.

 

Different strokes is how you can square this circle.

I have never been so happy to get out of a car in my life. I was scared by the FGT because I thought it was just plain dangerous in terms of not seeing out well and just feeling sub par quality across the board. It could have been a bad example. The CGT was extremely well built but scary because it would whisper in my ear constantly- one slight hiccup and its curtains.

My point to this fellow is he could have this kind of reaction and really you have to test drive these cars. It becomes so personal.

 

scud, Opening the garage door and seeing a FORD sitting there, its something i would only want to see in my nightmares, italian or german, there is nothing else

 

Wow. Don't want to turn this into a Ford vs Ferrari debate. Carroll Shelby already took that debate on with Enzo Ferrari and it's a debate for the history books. Both guys have now passed on and I for one think both have fantastic legacies and no shame in eithers achievements. Almost anyone would be ecstatic to own an example of either.

http://www.complex.com/rides/2012/09/carroll-shelbys-25-best-cars/ford-gt40

 

Yeah, I think the Scuderia is clearly the better car if you are going to be pushing the car to its limits and just want something for the track. The Scuderia has all of the Ferrari racing tech. The GT doesn't have all of the technology that the Scuderia has to allow you to drive fast comfortably. But having a GT for weekend driving would be something special!

 

Used to be that "driving fast comfortably" meant having to have a certain level of skill. More people would enjoy cars like the GT, CGT and F40 more if they spent less money trying to look like they know what they're doing and more money to learn the skills necessary so they actually know what they're doing, but I digress....

 

The Ford GT for all the reasons already stated.

 

Absolutely! I have been instructing for years and the driver aids give guys who have no business in anything with more than 100hp, the ability to stick their foot into the throttle of a 500hp car and not put it in the hedges.

Having said that, back to the initial question. I had considered a GT back in '05 and it was a great car. However, if you intend to use the thing at all as a 'car', forget it. There is actually zero places to put anything. I like to use my cars for trips, etc., and I doubt that my wife would really like the luggage on her lap!

So, for me the Scud would be the choice... as a 'car'. For long term value, I would bet on the Heritage edition of the GT.

 

Heritage edition of the FGT is going through the roof right now.

As to driving aids, its easy to go fundamental but lets face it, the presence of these aids is what allows most manufacturers to build these high power cars.

Whether its a 430 or Scud or 458 or FGT, etc, knowing the basics always helps. And even with the Scud and all its helpers, if you don't know what you're doing, it can bite. I just like a more forgiving setup in a street car.

 

Oh so you have one of those wife people. I used to fed-ex my essentials when taking a road trip in the GT and take a 3-day bag in the passenger seat or passengers lap.

I did forget how horrible the doors are for ingress and egress so that's a negative, at least for the top of your head every time you bounce it off of the door (and trust me, you will). And to counter that negative I give you three pedals and gear lever

 

I disagree on this one. I take my GT on long road trips 300-500 miles and no issues, I travel light. It's a very comfortable car that you can sit in for hours without any discomfort. Last year I drove the Scud 300 miles and holy back pain! It was a blast, but not very comfortable.

 

Oh, holy crap, I cannot believe that no one on this forum called out the GT stick shift over Scuderia paddles sooner! This is F1HaterChat, right? Yes, if you are craving a supercar with a stick, then the Scuderia won't work. The Scuderia nannies extend to the gearbox too. Good for some, bad for others depending on what they want.

 

GT for sure!

 

Well, the GT is certainly a better investment, it WILL hold its value, and it tends to go up, as seen on previus months/years.

Service is dirt cheap, since it has basically a truck engine, and its very reliable, apart from the alarm system, which is crap, and the center console paint tends to buble if exposed to the sun, just like the dash on older Rarri's tend to shrink.

But mechanicalwise it is bulletproof, and there are several mods available, from around 100hp gains to 500hp.

I've driven both, and as much as I love the GT, the Scud felt more special, even though the GT is faster.

If it was my cash, and I was looking for a weekend toy, but not considering a long term "investment", I would go for the Scud.

But if it is a keeper, your money will be safer on the GT.