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SD2 Sistema Diagnosi software transfer

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  1. bisel

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    I'm pretty sure you will. The cables I am reproducing are merely replacement cables in case you have damaged yours. There is no change in the function of the SD2 and how it interfaces to the vehicle or your PC.

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  2. fastradio

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    The SD2 can be used as a standalone device or with the PC connected. Much more diagnostics can be performed with the PC attached. This will be an option when you first power up the SD2. Frankly, it just makes more sense to use the SD-2 as the interface box between the ECU and the PC. However you do it, you'll still need the PC to load/unload software to the SD2.
     
  3. reytech

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    OK thanks; yes I know that in order to use the SD2 link to PC and use the PC for diagnostic the software have to be in both SD2 tester and laptop. the Cables i have are in good condition. Any body around that may have the crossotto/ instrum,ent clsuter software for the enzo?
    Thanks
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  4. reytech

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    Hello There
    I am trying to establish communication with the instrument cluster in a 2003 Ferrari ENZO the following is what going on: (SD2 Tester)
    I know that the only selection of communication line between the SD2 tester and the Vehicle’s ECU are:
    • ISO 1 line
    • ISO 2 Line
    • CAN Line
    The only option that the SD2 tester gives me is by CAN line; I see the AMP 4 positions plug coming from the SD2 tester and the following is the connection:
    Pins Out connection:
    1.> Red wire to pin #21 in the back of the SD2 tester.
    2.> Clear wire to pin #9 in the back of the SD2 tester.
    3.> N/A
    4.> Blue wire to pin #10 in the back of the SD2 tester.
    But I don’t see where to connect this (4 positions wire) in the Vehicle
    I do have the OBD II connector; which only powers the tester.
    In the OBD 2 connector I found the CAN-B low= red/green wire pin # 11 and CAN-B high=red/yellow wire pin #9 but I don’t know what to do with the clear wire front the SD2?
    Best regards
    Rey
     
  5. rustybits

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    Last time I tried comms with the enzo instruments (a few years ago now!) I seem to remember having to use link to PC mode and not standalone, and an ISO...
     
  6. fastradio

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    You should have an ALDL dongle hanging near/somewhere near the instrument cluster. You'll connect it to one of the ISO lines (as Rustybits stated) and assign that line to the software test you're running. I've only got the F50 dash software...Sorry.
     
  7. tazandjan

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    David- If we ever figure out how to use the software interface without the SD2 tool in between, we will really be in good shape. I know, dream on, but there is some genius out there who can do it.
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    I don't know why it cant be backward engineered. It has one small board about 4x4 in it, an LCD screen and a couple of connectors and switches.

    Digiplex does not exist anymore either so they won't be complaining.
     
  9. fastradio

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    Anything can be done...

    But, will the market be willing to pay for an SD-2 replica. Based on the pushback even for the Leonardo-light at $5K...and many expecting full diagnostic capabilities and connectivity for the price of a $30 code reader, I'm not sure it's really worth the effort.

    If you feel that there's enough professional interest, then I'll have it reverse engineered. It's really not that big of a deal to do, particularly considering the era in which it was designed.
     
  10. tazandjan

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    David- Have an F1 hard fault right now. Problem was fixed, but no way to put out the light without an SD2 or equivalent. Would love to have that capability for my techs.

    I thought the single model Leonardo was more like $8K once pricing was finally determined. Pretty expensive. Trying to work with the Auto Enginuity guys, but so far no luck. They want $3800 for their Ferrari package, and it is still being updated.
     
  11. Rifledriver

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    Have you been in contact with Texa USA?
     
  12. Dave rocks

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    Terry, I made contact with Auto Enginuity and they don't support transmission functions of a 355 F1. So, until they do, not a good solution for me. If they did, I'd hand them $3800 tomorrow.
     
  13. tazandjan

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    Brian, Dave- Have contacted Texa USA and the price would be around $5800, I think. Aldous just bought one in the UK for considerably less and it is on the list. He tried it on a friend's 575M and it worked fine.

    Tried to get Auto Enginuity to go for a down payment and pay it off in a year, but they were not interested. Big chunk of money for a retired guy. They had the system hooked up to an 04 575M recently and it worked fine on the F1 system.

    David- I think there would be interest in an SD2 capability for a reasonable price that was PC based. Was counting on Duram Plummer, but he has stalled out, I guess.
     
  14. bisel

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    My techs have an SD2 and they speculate that if anyone could come up with a solution that would perform the same functions using a PC, that there are many indies out there that would buy it. If you could get the SD3 function thrown in, your market would then increase to include the F430 and 599.

    Regards,

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  15. Rifledriver

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    Good independents already have them. The cheap ones that look at Ferraris and Ferrari owners as targets of opportunity do not. It is actually a good litmus test.
     
  16. Dave rocks

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    If someone would create a PC based software for $1K-$2K, they would probably sell 100 or more per year to guys like me that work on my own car and have no resources near by.
     
  17. tazandjan

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    Brian- My independents are good, but most of their work is on older Ferraris, so the SD2 has been unaffordable.
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    In that market they couldn't pay for it and you understand the ramifications. In a bigger market area with someone passing themselves off as late model Ferrari people it is very different.
     
  19. tazandjan

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    Brian- Affirmative. In Florida there was, and may still be, a traveling SD2 guy who went to different shops to do the work that could only be done with an SD2 or equivalent. He would go broke in NM.
     
  20. finnerty

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    I wonder if it would be feasible or practical for a place such as Ricambi, Rutlands, etc. to have a couple of these in a "tool rental" capacity ?

    .....or one of us here, for that matter ? hmmmm.....
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    They are not industrial grade. In fact they are a fragile POS. On loan it would be done in no time. Then he'd have a $25,000 door stop.

    Mine is hard wired into a mobile computer cabinet and I won't even take it out. The company is out of business so only very limited service is available and Ferrari repair is dirt cheap in comparison.


    Besides there is no manual and without considerable training it is useless to the user. There is not even a guide on where to plug it in for which function on any pre 360. Many of the shops that have had them for years still really don't really know what to do with them. Several of us around he country spend considerable time on the phone helping other shops devine how to use them.
     
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    They are not industrial grade. In fact they are a fragile POS. On loan it would be done in no time. Then he would have a $25,000 door stop. I just cant imagine it being a viable deal without a $1000 fee and a $25,000 deposit. Makes going to the dealer look pretty good. Also it really is just an interface for a computer and that computer needs to run ancient software for the SD2 to work properly so now you are shipping a computer too with a bunch of cabling that makes Radio Shack look Mil spec, a power supply etc.

    Mine is hard wired into a mobile computer cabinet and I won't even take it out. The company is out of business so only very limited service is available and Ferrari repair is dirt cheap in comparison.


    Besides there is no manual and without considerable training it is useless to the user. Many of the shops that have had them for years still really don't really know what to do with them. Several of us around he country spend considerable time on the phone helping other shops figure out how to use them.
     
  23. finnerty

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    Ahh.... understood.
     
  24. Jorge80

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    As a recent Maserati owner I find the SD2 functionality quite useful, unfortunately I don't have any Indy near me.
    Has anyone managed to reverse engineer something about the SD2 device?

    I'm a systems engineer with also electronics experience and I would like to give it a go if no one has done it yet.

    It would be most helpfull to have a picture of the PCB inside the device with the IC's references clearly visible and a copy of the CD software to look for some information there.
     
  25. gobble

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    Does anyone know if a Maserati dealer with SD3 can diagnose issues with the 355 suspension light (assuming they know how to use it)?
     

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