If Nico started last in the last 2 races (instead of Lewis) where'd he finish?

I can go with that to some degree, but personally I do not think it that easy at all, passing through the field on not the best of passing tracks, yes somethings went his way for a change, but IMO he is at his best when in that position, and he is a balls out coming ready or not driver, risky but brilliant IMO.

Agreed sometimes it doesn't pay off, but it either way awesome to watch IMO, his goal was to finish ahead of Nico <(same car) accomplished, so I reckon he considered that a good result.

 

Further I was in a Go-kart competition a while back, 8 karts a race 6 laps, straight in and the next drivers jump in.

I didn't see the helpers switch my car to a fresh one cold tyres!, they knew I would total it at the start and I did.

It didn't occur to me the grip of warmed up tyres, I seriously thought the whole Kart was goosed, it was only when I got some heat in them I realized what a massive difference it made, however I finished 2nd to last because of that, and I knew I was one of the best drivers there.

 

That's all good and fine, but when you're dead last if you don't push from the beginning there's a god chance he won't make up as much ground.

Sure he could be patient and drive more cautiously, but he then he'd be just another Nico. I dont understand anyone faulting lewis, other great drivers would do the same starting from pit lane.

 

Vettel also spun. I guess he must be just as reckless as lewis! Nico never ever makes errors

 

What and crash?

LH is the luckiest man in that race. Phish race should have finished with that crash but by nothing more than luck he was able to continue.

Sure push hard but it is all about not over driving the limits of the car ... oops. Good to watch unless you are the team manager
Pete

 

God loves a trier...

 

It keeps on being this way this year?

Are you sure about that...

Lewis leads nico 4-1 in races that they both finished and started in a similar grid position.

All other nico fans in this thread are dodging cold hard facts by lacing their posts with sarcasm but good on you for at least making a statement that can be responded to.

Season recap for you.

Australia: lewis DNf due to reliability issues whilst having advantage. Nico inherits win
Malaysia bahrain china and Spain: lewis wins them all over his team mate fair and square
Monaco: nico wins, regardless if his qualy parking was intentional or not we were deprived of knowing what could've happened if lewis got a chance
Canada: lewis car fails whilst leading
Austria: nico wins - lewis own fault for qualy errors
Britain: nico dnf but lewis, based on the evidence, would've won anyway despite starting ninth
Germany: lewis car failure in qualy gifts nico a win. Lewis gets third despite starting last
Hungary: lewis car failure in qualy starts from pit lane AND BEATS HIS TEAM MATE WHO STARTED FIRST LOLOLOL



There have been 5 races where they both qualified similarly and lewis won 4. If nico hadn't parked in monaco it may have been 5. Lewis has started in terrivle positions in the last 4 races and has podiums in them all and even won one. Qualy in Austria was his own fault (could class that as 4-1 or 4-2 depending if we count monaco). Qualy in Britain was his own fault but he was going to win anyway based on the evidence. Lewis is on another planet right now. The only reason nico is still in this is because of Lewis's reliability problems. That is a fact that cannot be disputed.

Don't even know why some people still bother trying to argue...

 

100% Agree

 

When someone has repeated instances of misfortune you have to consider if its just bad luck or if there are other factors involved.
Maybe my hat is just a different shade of aluminum foil but I think that it may be down to a difference in driving style.

 

Because it is a debate not an argument and you have your opinion and others have their opinions, ask me how I know.

Hey look a Squirrel!!!

 

Let's address each reliability issue then.

Aussie: misfiring cylinder which occurred right at the beginning of the race: not driving style
Canada: has been argued many times in previous threads. Don't want to flog a dead horse but was more down to being in hot air than anything
Germany: brake failure - brembos fault
Hungary: car caught on fire after barely a lap - fuel leak.


Each failure has been examined by the team and by trained engineers and an explanation has been given which would've been based on sound evidence grounded in science and engineering. Not once has Lewis's driving style been attributed to his failures. To think this way, given the insurmountable evidence to the contrary, is ludicrous.

And yes debate if you wish to call it that

 

In a debate opinions are substantiated by evidence. We need to be debating on the facts here. Dodging issues by lacing posts with sarcasm and making baseless statements is no fun

 

It could be a string of bad luck. Or even sabotage.
But the simplest solution is the most likely. Lewis is the one constant in the series of events and in just about every instance the failure is down to some form of over stressing a component or system.
The components may all be faulty but the odds are against that given the number of failures. More likely the radical new MB design is sailing close to the wind in terms of reliability. Lewis' aggressive style is apt to put more stress on the car than Nico's measured approach.

 

**** I'm past caring. Ifs and buts only count if they're in lewis' favour. .... apparently

 

Or he has schumachers car . look what happened to webber - I would say seb is definitely the more aggressive driver.

See my last paragraph above. Moreover, many of the faults cannot be attributed to driving style regardless: I.e fuel pump problem - lewis consistently slightly more fuel efficient than nico = less stress on components in that regard. Miss firing cylinder - engines meant to last like what 10k miles - lewis being a tenth quicker here or there can't cause that.

Lewis does brake later consistently - brakes go through testing far more rigorous than that.

 

Everyone blaming lewis' failures on his driving style.LMFAO.

I guess Mark Webbers driving was also the fault for his failures.? Argue that one please.

 

Actually vettel was the luckiest in Hungry.

 

+10000

Id say lewis is easier on his car than nico in some ways

 

How vettel survived that without damage was miraculous

 

This time it was definitely LH's fault but he got away with it. Others not.

Pete

 

Sounds like you presume a rather detailed knowledge of F1 design circa 2014.

As far as I understand the current designs are highly integrated particularly with regards the ERS. Stressing one component can easily have a knock on effect.

I don't have a particular ax to grind here. I respect Lewis and his talent and am only looking for the most logical reason for his lack of success.

What I have proposed is much more likely than a string of unrelated failures unique to one of two cars of the same design constructed by the same people that are as similar as is humanly possible.

If you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras.

 

Where would Nico be? Not on the podium definitely. He's not a good passer like Lewis is.

 

You trying to undermine a perfectly good digression?


No doubt that Nico wouldn't have finished as well as Lewis did. But he would have been in the points.

 

Yes have to agree to.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out
Pete

 

WTF does what happened at RB have to do with this?