Dave- I believe the FHP package was available as part of the Scaglietti option packages added to the 360, 456M, and 550 in late 1998. Allen- The late shock absorbers, including the HGTC shocks, used different mounting hardware than the earlier shocks. To mount them takes around $6-800 per wheel in different hyperblocks, supports, etc. I believe these were primarily ride and longevity upgrades for the standard very late 575M with half a set of HGTC shocks, and the other HGTC shock benefitted from those improvements plus likely had stiffer valving for jounce and rebound to match the much stiffer front HGTC springs. The Motronic ECUs and shock ECUs underwent continuous upgrades and the standard 575Ms benefitted from work done developing both the 612 and later Superamerica engines and their suspension systems. Both the 612 and SA were rated at 540 hp, the former through major intake and exhaust manifold and ECU upgrades, and the SA through some basic hotrodding techniques covered elsewhere in this thread. The elimination of the center muffler/resonator at AN 51797 likely improved hp slightly, as likely did the later Motronic DMEs. Ferrari never claimed a hp gain, though, and we have no dyno runs to confirm or deny any power increase.
The Grigio Nuvolari looks AMAZING! Almost makes me want to respray my Grigio Titanio (but not quite). Wouldn't mind it in Canna di Fucile either...
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Another example in Grigio Nuvolari is offered for sale in Switzerland. Niki Hasler sells it. This one also has a special order interior. http://www.autoscout24.ch/HCI/CustomDetail.aspx?lng=de&cuid=62574&vehtyp=10&member=62574&extview=true&vehtypgrp=1&sort=makemodel_asc&index=14&vehid=27576
Wijnand- Yes, that is Alex's 575M. I had forgotten, but he reminded me and she is in Prague. The other Grigio Nuvolari 575M's asking price is about $120K US, so prices seem to be rising on 550s and 575Ms.
Taz: affirmative. Prices seem to rise. At least in Europe. Only for 575's with special characteristics: HGTC, FHP, rare color, options, etc. Well maintained cars with full history and low mileage (below 30 kkm) sell for 65-90k euro.
This one looks like a bargain to me, 129726, AN 46856, even if she does have 36,000 miles. Owned by a dealer who also has an F430. From the description, would need cambelts and a full service plus TPMS sensors, but has lots of goodies including racing seats, rear shelf, and full carbon fiber trim that are expensive to duplicate. $65K asking for a well-equipped 575M? Down towards the bottom of the price range for all Maranellos. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
At the recent RM Auction they sold a lovely SA for $330,000. At Barrett Jackson, a few years back, a SA was sold for the same price. I saw that one take place and thought that the buyer got carried away. As a SA owner, I love to see these higher priced sales and wonder whether the cars need better exposure to collectors at shows etc.
The Superamerica at RM's Monterey auction (ZFFGT61AX50140436) is low mileage at 2300 and has the F1 transmission and HGTC option (from the photo of one of the wheels/brake disks). From the photos the interior looks to be optioned out as well. The catalog says this car is "believed to be" the second SA built, and has gone through a Classiche cert. How much that might have added to the bid value is questionable. If the standard auction fees applied, a total price to the buyer of $330,000 equates to a hammer price of $300,000 and $270,000 to the seller. That seems a bit on the strong side, but not wildly so for this particular car IMO. As I mentioned in another thread about the Superamerica, the market has definitely tightened, as I have not seen any advertised for under $225,000 for some time. 18 months ago you could always find one or two with asking prices under $200,000.
Very nice. Assume she is F1 and does she have FHP? Very unusual for an 04 MY to not have 575M script on the trunk lid. Here is the photo righted after you used an Apple something. Looks like a beige or cuoio interior, but hard to tell with all the reflections. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thank you for straightening my picture Terry. My father was also a lieutenant colonel stationed in Texas during WW2. Your advice has always been invaluable. Manual transmission with black interior and scuderia stitching. Purchased new from Ferrari of San Francisco in 2004. Currently has 37000 trouble free miles. Original brakes and clutch with handling package.
My father was a retired Colonel who flew P-47Ds with the 86 FBG in WW-II. Thanks for the additional info. Will add her to the list. Two 575M manuals in this one, 137517, AN 55149 shown above with FHP, and the Euro model from the private collection 133701, AN 50843, with photos below. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Nice work on everything Taz! I like that Scaglietti Option Brochure. Gotta try and find one. Seems like not to many have the FHP as original equipment?
Looking at my list, it is fewer than I would have thought. Somewhere in the 10-20% range from a very limited set of data. More in the later model years.
Can any one answer the follwing, one is yes/no the other is more subjective.. I'm considering my first "Modern Classic" 1) can the Fiorano handling package (still) be retro fitted by a dealer and how much is it going to cost ? I was told that a 575 without this package handles worse than a 550, though this was by a 550 seller, is this true? 2) which is the better ownership prospect and better place to put one's hard earned cash A 550 Maranello or a Manual (3 pedal) 575?
1 - no roll bars left - fhp requirement depends on use - handling issue basically a myth derived from the original uk test reports - almost certainly no uk 575 has that original suspension ecu - fhp steering ecu effectively reduces assistance leading to more feel on its own 2 - big premium for manual 575 in uk - 550 prices soaring too - unless you accpet mileage Both subjects have extensive threads here over the years
here comes my worthless 2c: 1) FHP retrofit is possible but dear, Taz can doubtless answer the cost question - candidly I would not have a 575 w/o FHP though no idea about 550 comparative handling. 2) buy a Maranello, any Maranello, because you want to drive the best and most beautiful Ferrari they've yet made, not with a view to its resale value which is anybody's guess. Then drive it and enjoy! That said, my guess is that longer term, in value rank I'd say 575 manual, then 550, then 575 F1. Only because five or ten years from now the market will be looking for the most analog Ferraris. It's why 550s are moving quicker today than 575 F1's.
Thank you, I drove Yellow 550 from Geneva to Le mans a few years ago, it sticks in my mind. . I own a 250 GTE so have form with 12 Cyl Ferraris. Would love another one.
I had the local Ferrari dealer quote me on upgrading to the FHP package on my 575 and they quoted CDN$50,000 (while my car only cost me under CDN$90,000 a year ago, though prices have edged up since then). Its not worth the cost of upgrading to the FHP package through Ferrari but you're better off trying aftermarket mods and keeping your original parts for resale purposes. In the States there is a small outfit called "Maranello Skunkworks" that offers certain performance enhancing upgrades like an upgraded Steering ECU for example which approximates the FHP steering feel at a fraction of the price (as well as other things). I have that on my 575 and its great. I missed out on a manual 3 pedal 575 before buying my F1 575 which I no longer regret because the 575 is such an amazing car to drive and enjoy, you should just get one. Clyde
Clyde- No way upgrading to FHP cost anywhere near that. HGTC maybe, and there were HGTC kits available. As stated earlier, the ill handling 575M is a myth perpetrated by the UK motoring press. An upgrade of the shock ECU pretty much takes care of any perceived problem and any late model 575M, 03 or later, but especially 04s from Dec 2003 or later, handles fine without FHP because of the addition of the steering position sensor update at ~SN 135180. This subject has been beaten to death and a search will find multiple threads on the subject. This thread contains a complete list of FHP and HGTC components. As mentioned earlier, the 21 mm rear anti-roll bar from the FHP option is no longer available, and the 19.5 mm HGTC bar is ridiculously expensive. Using aftermarket parts, it should be possible to upgrade a 575M to FHP for less than $5K. FHP brakes are identical to normal brakes, with the addition of Pagid Orange racing brake pads.
Terry - I know you're right, I was totally shocked by the quotation, but afterwards I heard from others that the Ferrari dealer here has developed a reputation for gouging people so it made sense to me. Obviously the thought of upgrading to the FHP spec with them under these circumstances is completely out of the question. I am glad you mentioned about the "ill handling myth" for the 575M that was perpetrated by the UK press. As an avid watcher of the UK version of Top Gear, I have seen that on occasion they do greatly distort or exaggerate their impressions of a car, which I believe must be an attempt to get a reaction from their fans (sensationalism doesn't only work for the news media I guess). If I would know the exact parts to order (and from whom) to upgrade my 575M to a FHP option spec for less than $5K I would do it myself. I wish there were a concise list of some sort to make it easier to facilitate that change. As for the FHP brakes being the same except for the Orange Pagid racing brake pads, that's good to know. My friend Alex (Bratman on here) has already suggested to me to change my brake pads to Pagid pads which he has done on his 575M. I plan to do that when mine are due for a change. Clyde
Clyde- If you change to the Pagid 4-4 Orange racing pads in the FHP package, I guarantee the fronts will squeal like all get out until there is a substantial amount of mileage on them, and maybe even then. Even if you use the bedding procedure. You would probably be better off with the Porterfields that Ricambi sells. We have a list of OEM FHP parts, substituting the HGTC rear anti-roll bar, but right now they are too expensive. Plus yours is going into storage so you will not be doing anything any time soon, from what you have said. With racing season ending, Philip's race shop guys may have time to do the work on the anti-roll bar. They can already do the springs.
