2005 575M HGTC 6 Speed Manual TDF/CUOIO

Took the words right out of my mouth. Couldn't have said it better.
Some people, geez...just can't listen to someone else's opinion.

 

Arguably, there are a stunning combination of factors at work in this car - handling pack, manual, colour etc. For this reason I feel the price may be unusually elastic, for the right buyer. By that I mean to most it could be worth x, but to the individual who particularly values these factors it may well be worth significantly more than x. For that reason I would probably also not list the price if it were mine. As it may sit unsold for 6 months at e.g. x + 20% - and lead to negative comments - but then along comes the person who says OMG to this combination of factors and pays x + 20% in a heartbeat.

That being said I can understand others who may not have seen it quite that way.

Stunning car - want to swap for a CL??? Just kidding...

And yes importing from Canada to US is a breeze, I did it on one of my S class.

 

Respect? Really? It's this attitude that has got you defending yourself. A friendly, open and transparent ad would have gotten you a whole lot farther...

 

Except now you'll get messages from wannabes wanting to know the price rather than them being able to just browse.

Yup. But As nice as the car is, I'd say it's more that he's trying to avoid the people SAYING it's overpriced because no matter what people always have something negative to say. Unfortunately many fail to accept that on a car like this 'overpriced' is subjective.





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Well, let us see, we have a Brit who would not be interested in a LHD Ferrari, most likely, and Johnson who is obviously not a serious buyer as the only ones insisting they have a right to know the price. So what is it, just curiosity? For you two, Dom will let it go for $300K. How about that? There are less than 20 HGTC 575Ms with three pedals, so the seller sets the terms until somebody gets serious. There are way more Superamericas with HGTC than 575Ms.

 

Taz - always enjoy your posts! Any idea how many 3 peddle 575? And even further how many 3 peddle 575 hgtc???


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Affirmative, 246 three pedal 575Ms total (11.9%), but no exact number for HGTC and three pedal or even just HGTC. I am guessing about 100-200 HGTC and 10-20 with three pedals, with the number faded towards the lower WAG.

575M Production Numbers
Total Production: 2064 of which 246 were Manual (11.9%)
UK RHD Total: 251, of which 69 were Manual (27.5%)
ROW: 1814, of which 177 were Manual (9.8%)

575M First and Last Built
First: 123764 Last: 141817 US, 141822 Euro

 

Ah so potentially more rare than 250 GTO. Very cool.
Seven figures sounds like a good starting point. Just kidding guys, please don't attack me for drawing that comparison. 😎


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I support the seller's right to POA, it's his car, he's in no rush and looking for just one right buyer. I've called and talked to him, and he will disclose if you're serious and make the effort. What's wrong with that approach?

 

Dom - While I may quibble that its not about "respect", I certainly am a-ok with however you choose to market your car and have zero issue with you withholding asking price for serious buyers only. Just wanted you to know some of us think it perfectly fine.

 

When I listed my TR, I priced it where I felt it will be a fair deal. I got ton of inquiries from modified Honda owners, flippers and many others. What mattered to me was the buyer who would appreciate the unique color combo and give her a good home.

If you look at my post, you will see that I added FIRM to the price and stuck with it. The real buyer stepped up and it was over quickly.

I respect Don's approach. Unlike mine, where I was flooded with tire kickers, Don is enjoying his time doing something more productive than deal with opinions. I like the open forum deal, but let's get real here guys... Money talks and BS walks...

If I was in the market for 575, I would pick up the phone or PM Dom...

Get real, make the call and show him the money... This is one unique combo, a rare catch.

 

On a open board you get all the walks of life and should expect nothing less... GLWS. Very special.

 

Well I don't care whether you list the price or not as I'm not a buyer for it. I do think people should respect the OP's wishes though.

That is certainly a gorgeous car. I had the privilege of driving a 575M F1 but wasn't impressed with the F1 at all. Would be an absolutely amazing car with the 6speed though!! Absolutely love the cuoio interior. Best interior color ever.

Best luck!!

 

It's perfectly clear you have a HUGE chip on your shoulder with what you refer to as so called respect(this has nothing to do with respect and this whole thing obviously stems from your own insecurities in this matter...) so I'm not going to reply to your crass comments either as it shows plain and simple where your origins lie.

 

Interesting how so many F enthusiasts crave the manual and performance options.

However, when a typical old man buys a F car, the automatic transmission was his first option to check.

With the factory today, you no longer have to check the automatic transmission as an option.

Nice car.

 

In the end this was never a personal attack on the OP or on anyone for that matter. You have to remember this is not just a simple classified advert-where there is no room for anyone to comment. If he wanted no comments then he should have simply placed a classified ad. By putting it on here he should expect comments and opinions. If he can't handle that then he should be on here.

What I wrote was an opinion, that I chose to post as this was an open forum, and it mainly centered with respect to the whole concept of POA(price on application), brought on of course through his original op, and a concept I intensely dislike. Ultimately it was not personal. Any item, I feel, which is placed clearly for sale on any open forum, whether it is a can of Coke, a house or a 250 GTO should along with its description say how much the seller is asking for it. This way it will also stop people inquiring who will then automatically know if they can afford the item and hence weed out some time wasters.
In my experience POA is put down either because the seller has not got a solid idea of what it is worth an so by marking the item without a price, in essence, they may hope to generate inquiries to help them gauge the likely interest and so determine a suitable asking price. But if that is the case maybe they should do their homework beforehand through other numerous channels. Another reason people put POA is because they feel that by getting someone to call or email them, they then have an opportunity to "sell" them the item better perhaps. However if the price turns out to be out of their reach then this is all in vain and time is wasted for both parties. So you see this is why I feel POA is misguided and doesn't work and hence my comment. It has absolutely nothing to do with respect as the op wants it to be.

 

Hello FChatters.

I corresponded w/Dom a couple weeks ago wrt his 575M.
He was very transparent and a gentleman by providing information about his car as was I when I exchanged information about my 2005 575 which is not as rare as his since my car is an F1 w/HGTC w/titanium ext/charcoal int.

It's been my experience that sellers set the terms of their offer and buyers negotiate by submitting a bid.

Perhaps a deal can be made or not.

We've all seen many luxury cars, homes, and similar assets that are priced as POA regardless of the seller's reasons why choosing POA.


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You are ill-informed, inexperienced and rude. Clearly your experience does not extend to very rare automobiles, of which this is one. Otherwise you would know that all of the major high-end automobile auction companies with respect to very rare cars, whether in 'private treaty' or auction, will almost invariably write P.O.A. Why? Because when dealing with a rare car serious inquirers will call and in the ensuing discussion prices, not price, will be discussed back and forth, leading eventually to an offer by the prospective buyer, often without the seller ever mentioning an acceptable price. The seller here has already received actual bids far above what anyone reading this thread would have guessed. When you own a unique object and are uncertain of what the market may be, this is exactly the correct way to understand the market, if there is one, and what might be a reasonable negotiated price.

Your continuous posting ongoing opinions concerning the tactics and motivation of the seller here, who happens to be a friend, is indeed disrespectful. You made that abundantly clear by this phrase I've cut and pasted from your above post: ".... brought on of course through his original op, and a concept I intensely dislike." It is your intense dislike and its motivation that puts you clearly in the wrong here. Your anger is what has turned what might have been a pleasant give and take for our seller into very unpleasant acrimony. It is inexcusable and IMHO a gentleman might even offer an apology.

just my 2c

 

This post is simply another example of you letting your intense dislike - translation: anger -
lead you to write personal effrontery. And you have the nerve to write that it has nothing to do with respect. In another age, were you to speak to me thus I would have called you out and put a ball between your eyes or a blade between your ribs, your choice of weapons.

 

I don't normally get into a pis**ng match but you truly have taken this thread as a joystick. Since you are adamant about making a point on price, why don't you make an offer to Dom here publicly and let us see how sincere you are. Oh yeah, you need to show proof of funds with your offer.

Like my grathfather always said, if you have nothing to say, don't say at all.

Just my 4 cents.

 

Exactly. As was mine.

 

Ditto.

 

Pot meet kettle. It has everything to do with respect. You came here and dumped on him for not listing a price in HIS for sale thread. Please remember this is a thread to SELL HIS CAR - not an open discussion thread on the value of manual TDF HGTC 575M's. How much more disrespectful can you get? You don't like POA, we get it. But the fact you continue your diatribe on HIS for sale thread only shows the chip on your shoulder. What you should have done instead is read the thread and then not posted anything because you apparantly are not a buyer of this car. That is what Dom is getting at. By not listing a price I suspect Dom was thinking he would stop all the jerks, who have absolutely no interest in purchasing the car, from coming on and saying " It's way overpriced, my uncle's brother's kid said he saw one at billy bob's used car lot for $50k. " I'm always amazed at how ****ty people can treat someone over the internet and yet I suspect if you met Dom in person you would be much less an ******.