375+ # 0384

Another good question. He was also the architect of the Heads of Agreement

 

This is the thought that I had in mind when I wrote "Bonhams also appears to contend that it did not need a judicial resolution of the Ford-Lawson Ohio title with the 70-30 split, in order to convey clear title at its auction in June 2014." That is, I assume that Bonhams would not have gone forward with this sale, representing in substance that its consignors had the ability to to deliver The Car unencumbered by any pending legal disputes as to its ownership, if the truth of that representation depended on a judicial resolution of the 70-30 Ford-Lawson title issued by the Ohio BMV on May 8, 2012 (copy attached). If this assumption is correct, it follows that Bonhams concluded that the ability to deliver an Ohio BMV title document that was free of any disputes, was irrelevant to the consignors' ability to deliver the goods unencumbered.

That's some terrible writing, I know. What I'm trying to say is that, assuming that Bonhams is not run by a bunch of idiots, Bonhams must have concluded that the Ohio BMV title has no effect on Bonhams' ability to perform.
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Bill, It may be a stupid question but if Bonhams conclude that the Ohio BMV title is irrelevant then they must have also concluded that the Ford/Lawson appeal upheld in May did not resurrect the the existing legal case in Ohio for a breach of contract.

If the Ohio BMV title is irrelevant then is not the Ohio case also irrelevant ?

 

Where is the original title (pre 1989) issued in the name of the claimant Mr. Karl Kleve? Who has this document? Does it exist,as implied, but never produced?

Where is the valid police report listing the V.I.N.? (or Police supplement)

If the 1954 Ferrari 375 Plus #0384 was actually listed as stolen, then why was it not recovered? We have heard claims of Interpol knowing where it was, FBI certainly knew where it was, the whole world knew where it was. So can someone tell us all… why the most powerful law enforcement agencies in the world could not just go and recover this Ferrari?

If the Ferrari 375 Plus #0384 was listed stolen and ‘NOT’ removed from the stolen list then how could Bonhams offer the car for sale?

If the Ferrari was stolen, as some would have you believe, then why can’t the Ohio parties claiming ownership go and recover the property?
You only need 3 things to recover any stolen motor vehicle.

1) You need a current title or registration or MSO listed in the owner’s name.
2) You would need a valid stolen car report listing the VIN number.
3) You would need to know the whereabouts of the stolen vehicle.

So where is the problem? Why did no one go and get the alleged stolen Ferrari?

So what is wrong with the Ohio title?

So what is wrong with the Bill of Sale dated 3/20/1958 that the 375 Plus #0384 history was based on?

We know what is wrong with the complaint made to the police 1/24/1989. It is not a valid report since the claimant could not supply ‘Proof of Ownership’ and could not supply a V.I.N. ( vehicle identification number). The Green Township Police Department followed procedure perfectly in ‘NOT’ listing the alleged Ferrari Grand Prix 4.9 in the NCIC crime computer in 1989.

The mountain of paperwork posted keeps getting bigger and bigger. The story keeps getting more and more convoluted with more documents that would need interpreters to begin to understand. Is this all done by design?

There is one document that is missing that could validate these stories. That would be the production of an original title in Kleves name. So who here claims to have it or have seen it or believes it exits?

The basis for all of this meandering back and forth is an alleged title and an alleged stolen vehicle. You just can’t start this intrusion of trickery and subterfuge without the required documents the claims must be based on. So again, lets see the Kleve title… if it exists.
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The Bill of Sale is clear proof of ownership!

Why don't you post that.

 

demanding for a car title is rather naïve, the concept of title for cars is a relatively recent concept in the history of registering cars... cars predating a state's title laws were not required to be titled retroactively. Getting a title was only at the owners request.

 

Again we can only speculate, but assuming that Bonhams is not run by idiots, my guess is that Bonhams' position on the Ohio litigation turns on paragraph 2 of the Heads of Agreement:

"All clams and counterclaims between BC and OC whether already asserted or not, are hereby waived and permanently extinguished on distribution of the funds from the sale to the signers of this agreement. BC and the OC parties will promptly enter an agreement discontinuing all action in Ohio in such form as is appropriate under Ohio law."

In other words, Bonhams considers the HoA to be a contract which continues to be binding on the signers of the agreement (Swaters, Lawson, Ford, Gardner and Bonhams); that Bonhams intends to distribute the funds from the sale (if it has not already done so); and that the combination of the certainty that this distribution will occur, and the agreement of the parties that this distribution will require them to dismiss their Ohio complaints, "whether asserted or not," gave Bonhams sufficient confidence to proceed with the June 2014 auction.

On the other hand, there are so many contingencies and unknowns lying between the auction sale and the dismissal of the Ohio complaints, that it is difficult to see how Bonhams could have achieved a sufficient level of confidence in this line of reasoning. So this guess could be completely wrong.

Just for fun I have attached a jpeg version of a pdf version of a MS Word version of a text version of my transcription of the HoA, that I posted to this thread a couple weeks ago:
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I wonder what happened in Judge Martin's courtroom today, in the Gardner v. Ford case. According to the docket there was a hearing of some kind today. I'm also wondering what it means, where the docket states that the "Status" of the September 2 trial is "Inactive." One more thing: there is a Motion to Dismiss calendared for October 14. Something's going on. I wonder what it is.
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It's called the Ohio FBI!! Period. OJ. "You are the baby's daddy!"

 

You will find some interesting information pertaining to the newest title of #0384.
That information lists mileage on a vehicle that does not have a Speedometer.
The Ohio title is displayed on page # 84 dated 8/12/2012 , post # 1697: I have included it with this email.
Please note that it is against Federal and State law to provide false statement pertaining to the mileage on a vehicle.
The title states 'actual mileage' and someone had to sign off on that statement.

The same mileage is stated on the forged Bill of Sale from Kimberly to Kleve posted before.

 

attached pics
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Just to support above
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Great find and doc PF! OJ, 'You may not be the Baby's daddy!?!'

 

Patrick,

Can you please return Kleve's odometer as, based on your statements, you apparently still have it - its the one that reads 4,340, as I said before, to the best of my knowledge and belief.

Also, I need your full contact information for my attorneys. We will arrange to send some law enforcement to recover it and save you the bother.

And take a look at some early photos. True Ferrari men know the factory adjusted dash and instrument clusters to suit the driver's preference, almost as often as you or I adjust a mirror.

I hope the board realizes why you feel the need, today, to suddenly post such falsehoods. What is your connection to Anderson? To Gardner? Same question to dogday.

Please, the truth and nothing but the truth.

Joe


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Joe,

Did something happen that altered the case in Ohio as 180 Out makes note of?

 

Send this pix copy to anyone that you like, it is 100% made-up fraud. Period.
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again an example of being naïve and ignorance of the statues

The fed odometer statements do NOT demand an accurate odometer reading. They require a statement about the accuracy of what the odometer shows, which can be affirmative, it can show that odometer is replaced / repaired where the mileage displayed does NOT represent the actual mileage, or the accurate mileage is unknown and the odometer does not represent anything other than random number displayed.

 

Also may -we- add, that there is 'NO' statues or law time limits for -ongoing- major ($18 million) high-end collector car fraud cases in the U.S.. Period. Super-white-HOT type of fraud indeed!

 

According to Ocean Joe's statement just below Patrick Faucompre's post, it is rather a case of one being deliberately deceptive.
To be clear, that is Ocean Joe's accusation, not mine. I'm not privy to the goings-on behind closed doors at present.

However, if what Ocean Joe is saying is true it would dovetail with a VERY clear pattern of new friends and guests here who all seem to hail from the same camp, with the same story, which deviates greatly from the facts of the case as we have come to know them.

I think a cursory review of the 'new' facts that have been proposed by guests over the course of this summer can quite easily lead one to this famous conclusion...

Something is rotten in Denmark.

 

Yes, the first words that come to mind to us is 'new-2014-100% fraud-case-type-doc'. As we all know, this does happen everyday all over the world on cold cases.

OJ, again, a fake is a fake, air is air, and 100% fraud is 100% fraud. Period!

 

dogday:

You really must function in a parallel universe as it certainly is not on this earth.

As for working with the US Government's FBI I sure hope that defense attorneys with clients on anything you have participated in see your posts here. They will enjoy destroying the government's delusional witness.

 

Pictures from Silverstone in 1954 do not show a speedo. Do you know when this was changed ?

 

Those are serious claims, care to make those statements under your true identity, as in like, stand behind what you are posting ?

That shouldn't be a problem for a someone with your claimed background, contacts and information about OJ.

Otherwise, it might be prudent to retract and issue an apology.

 

Joe, judging from an earlier post, your picture of the dash with a 1/3/1 layout and speedometer is of 0386AM before it was changed

 

Here is the real truth in the matter (put up or shut up type deal okay): I was Guy's partner in the late 80s, so I myself have personal in-the-period-knowledge about all the 100% fraudulent claims in the ongoing fraud case. It is not just about Guy (great man in 2014), but it is -everyone- that is involved in 2014 worldwide. I have already talked with the LA-FBI, Ohio FBI, and GBI, many times over this major matter for years. The main problem is that the Feds hear so much BS everyday that they (FBI) will do nothing in the end (as always). All the FBI time is now invested in stopping attacks on the U.S., period.

So here is where we are today. I don't really care if you and others are working up to have me banned from your site and from this 100% fraudulent Ferrari thread discussion. Again, the Ohio FBI knows all about what I myself have put forth to them, and the courts (FBI records everything..) in this now 18 million dollar collector car 100% ongoing fraud matter.

Also so you know, I am a photo-fraud expert (30 plus years working on and off with the FBI and others on major high-end collector car cases). Again, all of the early photos in the case are overlay negative photo frauds (very easy to produce). And later ones are in fact photo-shop frauds (also very easy to produce). But, don't take my word for my statements I make here, send the photo copies to whoever you wish. And lets your people see what they can come up with. I am going to tell you what it will be, in the end, 100% early claimed photo frauds. 100% 'AIR' period!

As we all know, there are countless high-end Ferrari's frauds in world today (many TRs and GTOs are frauds). But do I want to become a person that someone could kill easily in the future, the answer is hell-no!

So please do whatever you want too, just ban me if you wish. But I will tell you this, I will be back in the end with the LA-FBI and the media. Remember, we are now talking about major, major, 18 million dollar collector car fraud case in 2014. When this 100% fraudulent Ferrari (replica, and a very good one) changes hands, again, in say 5 years, the price could be as high as $40,000,000 at auction. I would not want to be owner at that price, would you? Maybe 2-3 million, not 40 + million dollars. We all know that 100% Ferrari replica air-cars have some value also, if the car's are built 'dead-nuts' with some major original parts supplied by Ferrari works etc.