Read my post again i said take the car in before and after for the scan.I cant see why you would need a scanner during the labour of replacing the clutch assemby.
Firstly, the SD3 is *much* more than a "scanner". Referring to it as such shows a lack of understanding of the technology involved here. Believe me, the guys who have been gracious enough to answer the questions are certainly not looking for work. Cheers, Ian
yes i understand it very well ..like the last two times i had my car at the dealer the sd2 couldnt tell me what was wrong with my car.i had to figure it out.
So basically, you are suggesting he only swaps out the clutch them gets it towed somewhere to do all the rest? How much will that save him? Bearing in mind he would get a guarantee if the specialist did the job, and he will know what other items need inspection/measurement/replacement... I'm not against DIY'ing at all, in fact there have been some great achievements by some of the guys on these forums over the years, this isn't a DIY job though. I regularly have to deal with the aftermath of botched clutch jobs by DIY'ers (and even other shops!) and it isn't pretty. Poorly executed repairs also helps propagate such internet myths as "F1 clutches only last 10-15,000 miles" that you can often read here. Things like loose bleed screws, unmeasured flywheels, incorrect torque settings are all expensive mistakes that can and do happen...
Read my post again..... I didn't say it wasn't a scanner, I said it's a lot more than. There's a reason it's not $99 from Autozone..... As for the SD2 not being able to figure out your car, I can't help thinking that's more a problem with the operator than the equipment. Everyone is free to do as they choose, obviously. I just know who's answers and wisdom I'm going to trust. If these guys - pros with about 100 years experience - say you need it during the install, I believe them over some random dude who thinks it might be OK. Cheers, Ian
Maybe you should find someone who understands that it is not a scanner and actually understands how to use it. An SD1,2 or 3 does not tell you what is wrong with a car.
What he would save is about 6.5k in labour in canada.I dont know what you mean by do all the rest? each scan is about $225 + tow.You do have to remember this guy did say he knows he way around cars.I'm not saying the re/re would be for a guy that bought his first set of tools.My friend was told that a clutch job on his 2006 430 was going to be about 9.5k he did the re/re himself bought all the parts with the two scans , he was into the whole job for 3.5k and saved himself 6k.Look all i was doing was to try to help this guy and to tell him there are options thats all.If he's up for the re/re he can save himself some money.Sorry for trying to help.
Brian I agree 100% but you do have to remember this was the dealer that i took my car to.You would think that they understand how to use it.Would the sd2 not tell you what actuator corner was giving me the problem? They told me i needed all four but they wern't sure.
Dude Where did i say you dont need the scanner for set up and it might be ok? Show me where you need the scanner to re/re the pressure plate/disc/throw out bearing?Thats where the major labour is.
The big yellow sign on the wall confers upon them no special talents. They are as likely to lack qualifications as anyone else. Serious error on your part there. Find someone good and quit paying so much attention to the cool little badge on their uniform. Depends entirely upon the nature of the failure. Sounds like the parts department was over stocked and they were trying to help out. Besides these days many mechanics get a piece of the action so selling everything under the sun is not terribly uncommon. It is in any event not the fault or lack of capability of the equipment causing the inability or lack of integrity of the operator.
Interesting discussion on a topic I know nothing about. Just for sake of education why are SD data required of the old failed "before" setup? Pee brain logic below: It seems logical to me that using the "SD before" requirement makes no sense if we assume that once in the life of the car it had a first virgin clutch so there was no "before" data to gather. Second, it would make more sense to have some initial set point and adjust from there not use an old setting and adjust from that. It seems that would introduce error. Third, if say a clutch disc or pressure plate blew up causing failure would the before data be some non-sequiter gibberish? Then you would have garbage in garbage out on the new setup. I guess it all comes down to how it all works.
Find this curious myself--of course I know very little about this so would love to learn more. My main question: Suppose a 599 completely runs out of juice (or has battery disconnected). Obviously this has happened in the past and people were able to recharge/reconnect the battery start up the car and drive away without problems. So my question is, how would any information/computer settings regareding the clutch be saved in this case? Why exactly would the car not autmatically adjust to the new clutch?
And just what does disconnecting the battery have to do with the price of rice? Does unplugging your computer wipe it's hard drive?
I think your computer remember what time it is after you unplug it... Does a 599 (or 430 for that matter) have a hard drive? My understanding is that everything is reset when the car completely loses power, is that not the case? If you acually know the answer to the above questions why not just answer it? I am sure people would be very appreciative and more helpful then a question about the price of rice...
So you are saying a 599 has a hard drive? Where is it? You think that the way a desktop and a 599 work is a good analogy? If so, why does a 599/430 etc lose clock settings and other information when the battery is disconnected? Obviously works differently than a computer right?
I think i figured out that much....my point is is it really a good example? Clearly some things are completely reset when you cut power. Unlike my computer, the clock loses the time and I know from other forums about people resplacing batteries the car does some kind of reset/self learning. So if I am to take it as an analogy then there is a hard drive or memory somewhere that seems to work for saving clutch settings, but not for saving other pieces of information that are reset when the battery is disconnected. Would be intereting to know the details.
There are more ways to store data in a non-volatile way than on a hard disk. In electronic circuits, storage chips are used. They usually have only a few hundred kilobytes available, but that's more than enough to store a few values like the clutch settings in our example here. Clocks reset because they'd need a continous power supply to work. Continously storing the current time to a non-volatile chip would not make any sense, as you'd only have the time immediately before the battery was disconnected stored on the chip. There's no use in knowing that the last stored value was 9:41 when you reconnect the battery two days and 8 hours later.
