Some of these items (seats, exhaust...) will even decrease weight. No 700 lb here. Are you sure the car was level when it was corner weighed?
In the current issue of the German car magazine Sport Auto the F12 is put through their Supertest regimen. They weighed the car at 3,773 lb., with a full fuel tank. The car was equipped with the lightest bucket seats available as an option. Still, its weight appears to be significantly lower than that of U.S. cars. Are U.S. cars loaded down by heavy safety structure mandated by our safety regulations? That used to be the case in the '80s, but I thought they weights had become similar. By the way, Their standard driver tested the F12 at 7 minutes 33 seconds around the Nuerburgring, on Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
This makes sense. And I don't believe that US cars are significantly different structurally that Euro cars. BTW Road and Track lists the curb weight as 3895 lb. 2013 Ferrari F12berlinetta - Road Tests - Road & Track
had changed jesterday The front Spoiler of my f12 to carbon, The difference in Weight is quite Impressive. regards- e Sent from my iphone with Tapatalk
Road and Tracks test car has the standard electric seats and JBL from the looks of it. The carbon buckets are much lighter. Remove those two options and the F12 should weigh around 3800 lbs. The JBL system has something like 12 speakers including 2 subwoofers IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong. I remember reading somewhere that's Ferrari's definition of curb weight is with all fluids EXCEPT fuel. If that's the case, 3,592 + (24 gallons x 6~ lbs per gallon) = 3,736 pounds. Add in options like JBL, full electric seats, and front lift and 4,000 pounds comes up in a hurry. This could explain the 458 Speciale weight discrepancy. USA spec 599 GTO's weigh 3850~ pounds, while Euro cars are lighter due to the carbon seats which we never got, as well as emission and crash related stuff they don't have. Again, correct me if I wrong. My logic for the weight difference comes from the Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series. Remember that crazy thing? USA spec cars were 210 pounds lighter than a standard SL65 AMG. However, European spec cars were 340 pounds lighter than USA spec cars. Why? USA spec cars used standard SL65 AMG seats. The Euro cars used carbon buckets. They also didn't have side airbags, although that only makes up for 40-50 pounds. The rest of the 300 pound difference between USA and Europe spec cars are from the seats. They are HUGE and like 18 way adjustable. Ferrari seats obviously don't weigh as much as Mercedes seats, but electric motors and such cause weight to add up quick. Another example: SLS AMG Black Series. Euro cars are around 3450-3500. Motor Trend weighed theirs at 3710 lbs. Why? The seats. Euro version gets 1 piece carbon bucket. USA cars have the standard SLS seat. Electric motors and side airbags add significant weight. BTW, how much weight does the front axle lift add on the F12/FF/458?
There is has never been a credible "explanation" for discrepancies of this sort and never will be a believable reason. It's why vintage Ferrari engines generally dyno below spec, why they have never met their publicized weight and why they specially tune their products for press tests even today. The more real possibility: Ferrari operates with a corporate culture overly comfortable with lying. These are spectacular machines, of course, and they compensate for their girth very well. But they ARE overweight and trusting a Ferrari marketing claim has never paid off. The institutional practice of misleading (using a false "dry weight" to skirt the actual curb weight issue, trying to homologate race cars, etc.) went on for decades with Enzo and has continued with the leadership since.
Car and Driver got a curb weight (full fuel) of 3872 lbs on the F12 they just tested in their Lighning Lap (Oct 14 issue). About the same as a 575M or 599, protestations of lighter weight notwithstanding. Incidentally, every time a Ferrari has a suspension alignment, it should have 75 kgs of ballast in each seat and a full fuel load (or less if you want an average of how you drive). Has been that way for a long time. Remember a tech in Colchester struggling with the bags when they aligned my 308 GTS in 1982.
The supposed ringer theory has been disproved time and again. Numerous customer cars have posted similar or better times than the factory test cars.
Not for f12. The tech manual specifies full fuel, full fluids, no luggage, no seat occupants. Document A.3.22 vehicle set up.
Factory alignment settings are: Front ride height 134 mm +- 5mm Rear ride height 151.7 mm +- 5mm Front camber -1.06 degrees +- 0.2 degrees Rear camber -1.22 degrees +- 0.2 degrees Front caster 4.72 degrees +- 0.4 degrees Rear caster 2.79 degrees +- 0.4 degrees Front total toe in -1.72 mm +- 0.5 mm Front on wheel toe in -0.86 mm +-0.25 mm Rear total toe in 3.38 mm +- 0.5 mm Rear on wheel toe in 1.69 mm +- 0.25 mm
It's kind of funny. There is all this evidence out there of how ripping fast the F12 is, including plenty of videos of it crushing just about everything in sight in a straight line. And yet somehow we're all being "fooled" by that clever Ferrari marketing. Including folks on this board who've owned a half dozen or more of the cars. Somehow, I doubt it.
