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2015 Hellcat makes 707HP

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  1. jm2

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  2. malex

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    Hmm . . . with the kids getting older now, that'd be a helluva replacement for my wife's minivan.
     
  3. Nativetroy

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    The Challenger is cool, but I'd take a Shelby over it for a cruiser, drag racer.
    But that Charger is awesome!! Weight can't be much more than the coupe, and you have the utility of the extra doors. That is amazing.
     
  4. kverges

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    If they had a manual wagon, I'd consider switching from my V.
     
  5. Simmonz

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    Weight is only 100lbs more than the challenger, the car is actually faster due to Aero than the challenger. Here is the information I gathered from watching the presser.

    204mph top speed.
    Only RWD
    Only Automatic
    No Price yet
    3.7sec 0-60
    street tires 11.0 1/4mile
    Drag Coefficient 12% better than challenger
    4560lbs but still 2/10ths faster than the 100lbs less challenger.
    weight dist 54f 46r
    Q1 next year avail.
    No Certified MPG yet but with a lower drag they hinted it would be better than challenger which is 20mpg hwy.

    ~Jake
     
  6. Roupin

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  7. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    A 500/Abarth Hellcat would do it for me . . .
     
  8. Simmonz

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    I think the hellcat engine weighs more than than a fiat Abarth by itself lol!
     
  9. boxerman

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    What about a warngler unlimited witht he 6.4 hemi?
     
  10. smooth

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    Car & Driver ..... Hellcat tests show that it only turns 11.7 in the quarter. This car isn't that fast with it's 700+ hp. Dodge must have sent a ringer when they turned 11.2.
     
  11. ForzaV12

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    or, the car that C&D tested was a completely flogged press car, or the track/weather conditions were completely different, the tire pressures were off, the driver was an idiot, etc,etc,etc.

    I talked to one of the senior editors of a very well known publication at Monterey last week end and he said the Hellcat they had was obviously getting a little ragged from non stop abuse at the hands of the press fleet squad.

    There is no doubt that Challenger will turn those times under the right conditions.
     
  12. DoctorV8

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    Hardly.

    With that much power going through 275 series non drag radials, it's all about the track surface, mostly the 60 ft time.

    Even at 11.7, the C&D car still trapped 126 mph, indicating the power is all there. The trap speed indicates how much power the car makes, not the ET. 126 mph at 4500 is moving!

    It probably did run 11.2 on an NHRA prepped track surface, but the major car mags run on an unprepped surface, which accounts for the difference in ET.
     
  13. RHS

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    Hi,

    Where's Jim Wangers when you need him ?

    Regards,

    Ramin
     
  14. Tenney

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  15. RHS

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    Hi,

    To the rescue ?

    Thank you for the awesome picture. He seems to be thoroughly enjoying the ride.

    Regards,

    Ramin
     
  16. Tenney

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  17. white out

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    These cars are going to pick up some serious speed with a different set of wheels/tires.

    A hellcat with 315-335 r-compounds and a tune is going to be seriously quick.
     
  18. Carnut

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    Over the years I have experimented with throwing on power to certain cars to see what happens. Case in point SL55 the car was great once you started moving but getting it off the line was next to impossible. With traction controls on it would spin and cut power it you pushed to hard with traction controls off it went sideways. Had to dial it back and even then you had to get it just right to get to connect. My current 997 has no traction controls and since it is pretty light it had to be dialed back as well to stay in a straight line. I think the weight will probably help this car but depending on the how the did the torque curve and how fast it spools up it might be a bit of a challenge to get to launch in a straight line.
     
  19. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91jRLQa5U8E&list=PLGvTvFzdMg_NV2D4QiozoMv6HN5KkrD5c]Hellcat Unleashed: The 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT! - World's Fastest Car Show Ep 4.7 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  20. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZOcxQQC2M&list=PLEFAC5D656286E89B]2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 707 Horsepower? Hell Yeah! ? Ignition Ep. 116 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  21. "StormBringer"

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    I don't think anyone is going to be carving up the back roads with this one. This can be an every day driver. My sister had a '70 Plum crazy Challenger which was stolen and ended up on the west coast used in a bank robbery decades ago.

    Just to correct those that think Fiat had a hand in this. Where do you think the tech came from....Lambo taught them the process to use alum in the engines some time ago. The division is run by a car guy.

    I know some time ago the monkey garage was tearing up the country side with one of these prototypes. I have been busy all over the place but had a chance to talk the man at SRT.

    The 2014 Cherokee SRT does have the 6.4 hemi engine in it. I have been resurrecting a company I sold almost 9 years ago that basically provided high level security by mainly former special-ops men. It's almost 10 years for my non-compete clause to finish but I want the guys to own and profit from this company. Mainly former US Naval Special Warfare(my background) personnel but I do have one former Night Stalker on my personal detail.


    Here is the conversation with SRT...which has been ongoing with designs and concepts. This was about my initial convo because several friends were interested and has not been updated.



    Conversetions with SRT(spelled this way purposely)

    Some time ago I was watching an episode of Gas Monkey's where they were doing a COPO drag car build and during the episode they visited the GM Heritage Museum. I haven't visited there in over five years when they were selling some of their vehicles at the time. Made a few calls and took a day trip out there. Now they say vehicles are for sale but a handful that I had interest in were really not for sale. It was not a wasted trip because I had a chance to update contacts and actually had a chance to see almost 300 other vehicles in the collection that were in storage. Fast Forward to a few weeks ago and JaysCobras started to talk about the prototype HellCat Challenger that the Monkey garage had and was tearing up the countryside with. I stared to talk about this HellCat with some of the guys I employ who are currently working at Jaguar/Land Rover on a special project for the Arab market. And they told me to get my hands on one and they would fly back for a weekend and give it a run.



    So while I was on my cross country trip visiting various national parks with my family one Friday night one of my assistants notified me that someone from SRT was trying to reach me. So in a short time I was speaking with the head of SRT. One of my guys must have spoken to him beforehand because he knew a little background on things.



    I think I caught him off guard because I told him the first thing that went through my mind when hearing about the 707hp HellCat Challenger was that I would love to get one of those prototypes into Cuba for their Acceleration of Speed event.

    I explained how Cuba use to host a Grand Prix but when the communist took over all racing was outlawed and viewed as an elitist sport. For years there was an underground for drag racing that was rarely spoken about. Only until recently has things begun to loosen up with an abandoned airstrip now used for 400 meter drag runs. And in the last two years associations have been forming events such as the Acceleration of Speed event. I told him we shipped several small & large block Chevy engines along with a rebuilt '68 Charger Bullitt clone and should arrive there by labor day since the shipment had to originate from South America. That's why I mentioned Cuba to him because that's what was on my mind at the time.



    We talked about all the Viper pre-production models that were called back due to a few that were taken on the road and crashed. I guess it cost the parent company a few million in settlements or lawsuits so I was informed most of the proto's were going to be crushed. I informed him that there are ways around that as in what was done for my grandfather. He was given one of the Chrysler turbines that was recorded and still recorded as destroyed. You know out the back door for VIP's since he was a major factor and pioneer of what we know as the military industrial complex. I started to tell him that back in the early '70's my sister had a plum crazy '70 hemi Challenger. She was into those purple and orange colors way back then. Two of her bedroom walls were colored hemi orange(or close) and two were purple. That Challenger was stolen in Connecticut and was used in a bank heist as a getaway car on the west coast. I hinted at a coach built special Hellcat in plum crazy as a tribute car since my sister is no longer with us.

    I explained how many manufacturers are starting to do custom coach builds in order to increase profits and build less production models overall. Ferrari has been doing it for a few years now and Aston Martin has just announced it will be doing custom builds for clients shortly.

    I went into a little detail of how Jaguar/ Land Rover has started it's special operations division for custom builds and restorations. I took a few minutes also how I put a few guys together to start prototypes of a stretched LWB Land Rover that will have various levels of armor for the Arab market. These will be special coach built and badged. I also mentioned the Jaguar F-Type R models that I should be receiving soon. I had announced the release of their Series 7 model before that intel was made public and a Stormbringer serial #1(series 7) would be arriving with the coupe and convertible. All three with engines massaged and output closer to 650hp as opposed to the 550hp models. Actually those engines are the ones going into the coach built Rover's. We just haven't thought of a great name for these special badges for that market. I do know that the first few produced will be badged as "Black Dog" or ''The Rover" Special Edition for me. I think since companies are doing black editions a blunt force trauma "Black Dog" badged Rover for my buddy Jimmy Page is going to happen.

    So I went back and suggested a few special builds. Would his division consider doing a custom build in crazy plum in either format hardtop or convertible? I went on to explain how my friends in Led Zeppelin took a chain saw to their material when they were preparing for their unLedded concert years ago. And of course I always enjoy getting a Zeppelin reference in when I can. I said that's what I envision nothing crazy but take a chain saw to the drawings and see what comes out if it. Either in black or plum crazy or two tone. I told him it needs to look...and I took a pause to think and stated sinister. It needed to look sinister as it just sits there parked. At this time he was taking some notes and since he was the design expert I would leave that in his hands. I also mentioned that for years I wanted to rebuild an original Cobra and it will probably be done in my daughters generation. I also wanted a resurrection Cobra built from those collected in the past 40+ years. Either a Resurrection Cobra or a replica Cobra named Frankenstein.

    I went on to explain I left the Naval Special Warfare Command in the late 80's but always wanted to do a build or tribute car and leave it in Coronado for the guys to use in that command. I just thought that a Vette or Cobra would suit the personalities involved better since I still provide advanced training with the NSWC/NAVSOC. This seemed to be of interest to him and he suggested a possible Viper build. I asked if the HellCat engine is planned for the Viper and he told me it would not fit and that the engine is too wide not to mention the clearance for the hood wouldn't even be close. We went on to discuss how Lamborghini taught them to do the casting for the aluminum engines and how they brought that technology to Dodge. Viper was going to get a boost in HP but not much. I told him if any vehicle was going to be chosen for a NSWC build then sitting parked it would have to look as if it would detonate at any second. That was the word that I chose carefully to describe the essence of a build. He told me he was going to put some sketches and concepts together.

    He went back and asked me about the custom coach work with Land Rover. I explained that basically I'm from a family that evolved into one of the banking cartel families and had originated from Tube Works into US Steel/Bankers Trust and my grandfather was one that heavily invested to build our military from 17th ranked to number one at the end of WWII. That all began at first to lift this country out of the great depression and then you know we entered that war. Well with various businesses and foundations we have had over the years and employees working for us from generation to generation at times we start enterprises solely for these employees to own, operate and profit from. A sheik friend of mine whose father use to head the UAE gave me the idea that a void needed to be filled for custom armored SUV's. And after about a year pieces started to be put together. Talks with Land Rover doing an extended long wheel base vehicle seemed possible and as I said the rest is history. Ballistics with DuPont have been completed and the first prototypes are completed. I told him all my guys are in Britain and I can't even get an oil change on anything in my garages. I put the contacts together and they will be running the show from now on. My brother spent some time putting a great business plan together and will be advising them when needed. I'm not taking any profit from this because I want them to profit for their families and their future generations if it lasts that long. I just want a few SUV's for my security details on both coasts. We already have close to 60 actual deposits because of my Arab friend recommending these vehicles. It going to be interesting for the Brits doing flashy custom work for this market.

    As we were discussing SUV's I was informed that they make a Grand Cherokee SRT model. I said really and asked him to educate me on it. He explained the engine and the new blackened out look of this SRT. They made special lighting to highlight certain parts of the car. Also they called it the night stalker look. I told him I employed one ex-Night Stalker in my detail, but told him most were ex-NSWC or naval aviators. As he was telling me about the Cherokee I grabbed one of my daughters ipads and looked up drivesrt and looked at it as he spoke. I told him that they captured a certain look and that with a little more special treatment I told him he has a winner. I asked could they drop a hellcat engine in this SUV. He went on to explain it already can go 160mph as advertised on the site and I asked him but could it be engineered into the Cherokee? I told him I would purchase one for personal use and another for my "night stalker" employee. It would have to have some kick ass graphics and custom work too. He said let me see what can be done. I told him I wish I had the hellcat engine for these SUV's because it took 8 months of development to make these Jaguar engines bullet proof with the additional horses for these builds. So that basically ended the conversation.



    Since then I have received a few sketches and re-worked sketches and concept ideas.



    Have to ask if a Hellcat and tranny can be retrofitted into a 1970 Challenger body.
     
  22. DoctorV8

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    Order placed for mine: Jazz Blue, 6 speed manual, nav, black wheels. Hope to have it by the end of November.
     
  23. boxerman

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    Congrats.
    Cool, we are looking forward to hearing your impressions of ownign one and how it goes.
     
  24. wings

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    I ordered the same Jazz Blue but am getting the Auto. Black wheels are the only wheels available at this time. Which interior did you go with? I went with Laguna Sepia. ( tan )
     
  25. DoctorV8

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    I was told that Laguna is on constraint.....no?
     

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