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Discussion in '206/246' started by omgjon, May 2, 2014.

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  1. GermanDino

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    Hello Jon,
    to zink the fuel tank straps holders isn`t a good idea.
    I did it too and the spring steel broke....
    A friend of mine had the same problems during his restoration...
    Regards Matthias
     
  2. Edward 96GTS

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    is the fispa decal self adhesive or water transfer type? source?
     
  3. omgjon

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    Always happy to learn something new. Thanks!
     
  4. dinogts

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    Everyone's a critic.

    It seems to me that you can do a lot of things that are technically and originally correct when restoring a Dino but those will need restoration or repair again, and again, and again.

    Or, you can make some minor deviations that are not EXACTLY/TECHNICALLY/ORIGINAL but will make your Dino much more reliable, durable, usable, and safe. And, those things would have been done by the factory if they had access to those same elements at the time. At the same time, those changes and solutions do NOT turn your car into a Pontiac Fiero Dino replica.

    I would vote for keeping your Dino on the road in the spirit of what the factory hoped to achieve - which surely wasn't rotting sills, overheating coolant systems, hot and noisy interiors, rusting exhausts, engine bay fires, breaking throttle cables and linkages, lousy paint durability, and bubbling door skins and sail panels.

    And of course, there are a few things that you might think would be a good idea to modify, but as Matthias points out in his comment about zinc and the fuel tank straps, are maybe better left alone. The art is in finding the balance.

    Keep up the good work, Jon.
     
  5. synchro

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    #80 synchro, Sep 1, 2014
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    The top of the fuel filter housing, securing nut/fuel pressure relief and fuel fittings (banjo?) are all black on Iain's example. I have never seen any Dino in total black before but have seen them all with a different finish/plating.

    How do we know what forms the impression on orignality - only what we've seen on other cars before ....


    PS - on Matthias example I have seen where the pump bracked has two cutouts to accomodate the lower section protrusions
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  6. GermanDino

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    #81 GermanDino, Sep 2, 2014
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    in general you can say as earlier the Dino is (206 GT) as more blue zink ...
    as younger the Dino is (E-series) as more yellow zink....
    see attached 206 GT fuel filter... the lid was also painted grey with the early Dinos....

    the two Lobo bolts for fixing the fuel filter are correct in black
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  7. swift53

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    Matthias, it might be an issue of heat treatment, or lack thereof.

    All fasteners, after replating, are heat treated (should be) to prevent embrittlement.

    Regards, Alberto
     
  8. dgt

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    True but I wouldn't recommend plating at all. I sourced the spring steel straps off another model which were longer and remade mine but you have to live with the OE finish...
    Dino straps are NLA, all types.
     
  9. pshoejberg

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  10. tx246

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    After visiting OMGJON.....

    I am super excited...

    Updates to come......

    :)
     
  11. yakxx21

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    Anybody know why the drive from the Diff ...the bit that connects to the drive shaft is always
    smothered in thick grease....whats the point....mine also ...should it be like that ???
     
  12. tx246

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    #87 tx246, Nov 5, 2014
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    I am finally getting caught up with several things, including posting pic's of my trip to San Diego.

    Meeting with Jon to see the progress of my car was exciting, to say the least.

    After seeing Jon's threads before, I kind of had a sense of expectation, but when seeing this process in person, it is pretty amazing.

    Jon's shop is spotless, with everything carefully itemized and stored in a manner that makes you realize the science behind what he is doing. What is most amazing is how he broken separate projects into their own area's and keeps everything organized. Jon definitely has a little more OCD than I knew, or most people know, but in a good way. We don't see this in his posts, but EVERYTHING is nicely sorted on shelves and stored behind sliding doors or in a s/n specific area.

    I was also impressed with the small area that has been set up with equipment. I have seen pics of a couple of different pieces of machinery through out the threads, but when you stand in the small area Jon works in, especially considering he is doing it himself, it is crazy what gets accomplished in such a small area.

    Jon was kind enough to introduce me to Brad, who will do the painting (extremely nice guy), and Tim, who is doing the painting (I am amazed what artisan type people can do with metal). Seeing the pride they take in their work gives me even more confidence that the Dino is in the right hands.

    Jon already has most of the mechanical stuff underway or complete....for fun, I posted a picture of the rear side of the choke lever.

    Nobody will ever see this. Hell, I don't even use a choke here in TX. I have seen all of the parts pieces Jon sends out for new coatings. But when you hold something like this in your hand, look at what Jon took apart and made like new again, AND THEN put back together.....

    All for something that will never be seen, you start to realize how amazing this entire process Jon creates is.

    I plan on visiting Jon again, once reassembly starts. I can't wait to drive this Dino!!!

    I want to publically thank Jon for his hospitality and taking the time with me. He is truly a class act and a guy that lives his passion.

    I also want to thank Sarge, who was kind enough to tolerate our driving adventure (and sleep through most of it). Although, he had just jumped into a random delivery guys truck, who was way to talkative and wanting to join us on the tour, and ate the guys lunch sandwich. Needless to say, I think we all had lots of fun!
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  13. synchro

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    Nice updates, Thanks!

    BTQ, Did you find that the body had a bunch of lead just aft of the door around the air scoops?
     
  14. tx246

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    There was actually far less lead than I thought we would see.

    The damage behind the drivers side scoop was a surprise, but given it was repaired, I am not counting that area.

    Shawn
     
  15. omgjon

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    #90 omgjon, Nov 28, 2014
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    There was a ton of metal work to do on this car, with new sills, front damage etc and changing it back to it's original configuration as a Euro. That required removing extra bumper posts, filling in USA light holes etc. With the metal work behind us the primer coats have been moving along. Shawn will get a spray out next week and color could start as soon as 2 weeks!
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  16. tx246

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    Jon,

    It looked ALMOST PERFECT when I sent it to you....

    I can't understand how there could be so much stuff :)

    Shawn
     
  17. tx246

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    With all kidding aside, the metal guy Jon uses (I am pretty sure his name is Jason, but need to confirm) is pretty amazing.

    I had the opportunity to look at the body after fixing before meeting him.

    You could rub your hand across a raw body (exterior) and onto clearly new metal work without feeling ANY transition.

    He clearly knows what to do when it comes to metal. From my observation, he is a hardcore vintage guy that deals with mainly cars that pre-dated the Second World War. He is also a young guy, or should I say, he is younger than me.

    When we pulled up, completely unexpected and out of the blue, I overheard a conversation he was having with one of his shop guys. It was in relation to the Dino's.....

    I took and have photo's of something I think is super cool, but will not post them. OMGJON has lots of "projects".

    My favorite photo from my trip is one of these, and it doesn't even relate to my car.

    Not that I want to sound like a butt kisser, but meeting and interacting with the guys OMGJON, or as we call him, Jon, interacts with...

    It makes me realize how amazing this car is.....
     
  18. omgjon

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  20. tx246

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    Wow, Matte Tan looks pretty cool.
     
  21. omgjon

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    #96 omgjon, Jan 10, 2015
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    I think you'll like blue better soon as we get the right mix. The left color was matched to my 45 year old color book. The one on the right is PPG from the code. All of their modern colors with the old codes seem to come out much lighter.
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  22. Tomax

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    I saw a Dino recently in Parnell, Auckland, NZ that look like it had come from the showroom floor. These cars come up so well after the full rebuild.

    Owner was an awesome guy.
     
  23. tx246

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    Jon,

    Do you think the color difference is due to aging of the paint sample book or something else?

    Shawn
     
  24. omgjon

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    I think it's just the modern materials etc unless someone has a better answer.
     
  25. BRAD_DIEZ

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    Shawn, there is no chance the color from the sample book has "faded" to a darker color. All cars, even new ones sitting on the lot, have a slight color variance depending on when the body was painted, and what batch of paint was used at the factory. The toners that are used today to make a color are just different from back in the day, which sometimes makes it impossible to achieve an exact match. However, the modern PPG sample is not even close, and just illustrates how far off, or "wrong" their formulation is to the original color. This is not uncommon, and its a nice color, but does not make it correct either. But in the end, it is personal preference, and if you are not so much concerned with an exact match, go with the color that you like best.
     

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