375+ # 0384

No morning is complete without a Max post.

 

I agree. Max Vito is delusional. He creates an illusion and then believes it.

Were I Max Vito, I would focus on actual frauds, actual criminal investigations, and actual court orders, and the devastating implications in the UK lawsuit(s), Ohio lawsuits, and the looming arbitration in which Gardner is a defendant.

For example, we have this from a recent court Order:

" . . . Mr. Ford must return all documents or information obtained from Gardner if
he has not done so already; if he came into the same documents or information
from other means, Ford is free to use in any manner he chooses. . . . "
August 20, 2014 Order of Judge Martin
Gardner v. Swaters, case A1306451

"If he came into the same documents or information from other means, Ford is free to use in any manner he chooses" -- now THAT is significant.

Max, ask Gardner why is he "reinventing" himself as Christopher Charles on the Vintage Racing League ("VRL") site, posting photos, a few reproduced below.

The Beige/Orange Car
The beige/orange car is a Delage. It was sold by Gardner to a Texas collector, who recently discovered the body to be a new counterfeit body misrepresented as if authentic.

The Unrestored Black Car
Then we have the unrestored black roadster body being sold by Gardner as a Horch 853A special roadster body when it is in fact a Delage body of far lesser value. This is presently a court case against Gardner with criminal allegations in Geneva, Switzerland. The Delage body matches that once owned by an elderly Polish car collector who was beaten to death and his collection plundered.

The Talbot Lago GP T26 Racer and the Talbot Lago Restored Black "Pourtout" Roadster
Then we have the other two cars whose provenance I am now researching. Bitsa's? New counterfeit bodies on a real chassis?

Then we have the other affidavits of additional Gardner classic car misrepresentations as reported at Ferrari Chat p. 52, post 1032.

Then we have the Broward County, Florida judgments against Gardner for yet more car stuff, including a pre-war Alfa.

Then we have the felony conviction circa 1990 for fraudulent declarations on car import documents as part of a "trick" or "scheme" to trick the US Customs at Ferrari Chat p. 40, post 784.

Max, can I get a little help here? Could everyone else, all under oath, be lying, and only Gardner is telling the truth? Are the Broward County judgments all part of a grandiose conspiracy by victims and by the Florida court system? Is US Customs and the federal court system part of the conspiracy too? Maybe they are both in collusion with the Florida Bar who just terminated Gardner's UPL complaint against me. Maybe, just maybe, there is no conspiracy and THEY ARE ALL telling the truth -- only Gardner is lying.

Are these below cars expensive, yet none-the-less dinky toy replicas masquerading as the real thing? Wasn't it you who said . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . crooks . . . Mr. Fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . manipulation and trickery . . . Mr. Fraud . . . conman . . . ?

It may be that what Gardner, a.k.a. Christopher Charles, has is a new type of ponzi scheme whereby Gardner sells classic car replicas as if real, collects the money, then buys real cars for himself.

I predict things are going to get rough for Gardner, real rough. I think Gardner will get the new striped wardrobe. Wait until Gardner encounters the unhappy Ferrari buyer's soldiers in the UK court. I am pretty sure they read these posts.

The kracken is almost awake. Release forthcoming.

Joe

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I tell you, this is like having my own Radio Talk Show. I want to paint my Lusso white, not sure if I can resist ! White is the new Rosso Corsa.

Traffic on the M25 is going be blocked, as a bus is about to run over OJ on his way to answer the three new lawsuits filed against him by his HOA ‘’contingent’’.

We’d like to hear about those words you bring up; Creditability, Rhetoric and Evidence . Where is your creditability Mr. Fraud? Take those words and explain your position, please !!

Oh my God, Ocean Joe, this is about you – no one is interested in CG and his car collection. At least you can see the CG cars are 'real' not dinky ones, huh ? Please post us photos of your collection, it would help us understand why the majority have it all wrong about Ocean Joe – the fraudster.

We are interested in how you will go down in flames, how you will get pinned to the mat and which bridge you will ‘’Jump’’ off of as you reach the end of the rope.

Keep posting OJ, and remember, Florida Jails are ‘’user’’ friendly for the ‘’Pro Se’’.

Max Vito

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Max Vito,

Stop trying to shift the focus away from Gardner, Gardner's lack of credibility, and Gardner's frauds - IMHO the evidence is there and it is very relevant.

Gardner claims to be a car collector but the evidence shows Gardner operates a type of ponzi scheme where Gardner repeatedly sells non-existent or counterfeit cars, and then uses that money for himself or to buy real cars.

Gardner did this to a man named Morse. It is related to my Ferrari deal because Gardner induced Morse to make three $20,000 wires (total $60,000) to a Ford account for the Ferrari deal. In late 2011, I learn that the $60,000 were the final installments for a $350,000 sale of a non-existent Horch 853A special roadster body from Gardner to Morse. [Affidavit at Ferrari Chat p. 52, post 1032] It does not stop there.

On 2011.09.26, Gardner next offers Morse a Figoni-Falaschi bodied Delahaye 135M coupe in trade to take back the non-existent Horch. [Email is below; Affidavit at Ferrari Chat p. 52, post 1032.] Morse says yes. Then in September of 2011 Gardner sells the non-existent Horch to another man from Ohio for $300,000. When that Ohio man discovers it is not a Horch but is in fact a Delage, and Gardner refuses to return the money, and a suit is filed in Geneva, Switzerland with criminal allegations. [Affidavit at Ferrari Chat p. 52, post 1032]

As to the Figoni-Falaschi bodied Delahaye 135M coupe, it turns out that the pic sent to Morse on 2011.09.26 is a crop of a pic in a French Delahaye book of a car that is known to no longer exist. So it appears now we have yet another Gardner fraud. In deposition, Gardner said the car was in my garage yet he refuses to provide photos. [Excerpt below]

It seems September of 2011 has special significance because that is around that time Gardner making required payments on the Ferrari deal so I put Gardner in default. Also around that time, on 2011.09.26 Gardner claims he bought a Saoutchik bodied Delahaye roadster. [Email below.] So what I am now piecing together is that Gardner was deliberately defrauding others by selling / trading counterfeit cars, and was deliberately defaulting on my Ferrari contract, probably in order to go buy the high dollar Saoutchik bodied Delahaye roadster. [Email and pic below]

Well, in my book, Gardner has deliberately pissed away his rights to any share of the Ferrari prize by defaulting, plus he owes several people alot of money. This is the type stuff that lands people in jail. All his claims about UPL are of very recent vintage and are not credible.

So, the above is my view of what is truly going on, based on evidence to date, and it goes to Gardner's lack of credibility. Add to that Gardner's recent losses in Ohio court and with the Florida Bar and I think the writing is on the wall.

I post this for the benefit of those in Ohio, London, Switzerland, and for Max, who I credit for the words "fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . crooks . . . Mr. Fraud . . . fraud . . . fraud . . . manipulation and trickery . . . Mr. Fraud . . . conman . . . " Max, IMHO you were aptly describing Gardner.

Max, wake up. Max, remember Cavallino? Put your business hat on.

Joe

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I read the report that was written while the restoration was performed over the last 8 years on this particular Ferrari 375 Plus #0384AM, plus I viewed the archived restoration photos.

I also know of a Ferrari expert here in this Chatty Room who is....well, quite silent. He saw each chassis piece that is originally from this Ferrari, that is; each piece that was not used as part of the restoration on #0384AM. The documented restoration that Jacques Swaters completed was professional and as good as it gets on a 1990 restoration. The facts are: the frame of 375 Plus #0384AM is all original and exists, no piece has ever gone missing, with the exception of one tubular section in the rear that Karl Kleve removed for some unknown reason.

Each chassis piece that was deemed not usable by Mr. Swaters was saved, cataloged and affirmed to be original to the 0384AM car. Those pieces are with the car today. The body, minus the rear-clip (discarded by Kleve when he broke apart the car in the 1970’s), is all existing and all original.

The engine presently in the car is the original engine fitted by the works, in 1954/1955. The spare engine included with the sale of the car, still has most of its original parts.

There is no one who has any - proven - information that #0384AM is anything other than original. The Ferrari Certification is completed with all metallurgic tests completed and is guaranteed. The buyer has the option of an upgraded Certification to include all the original pieces, if, re-united in a 're-restoration' of the car. Of course, any prudent - serious - buyer would... with/diligence, conduct an extensive research, and/with and including, confirmations, as preparation before buying the car at an auction.

Thus, we can agree on one thing Mr. Dog:

The private bidder in this case....the actual buyer of Chassis #0384AM....paid for - and has collected their purchase at Goodwood, and made money on his purchase, likely to the tune of a mere $7,000,000.00, in many professional people’s opinion. That deep discount was solely attributed to Joe Ford and Kristie Kleve Lawson trying to circumvent Bonhams, squeeze Florence Swaters for more money and zero out the principle-master of the Ohio contingent, Christopher Gardner.

I see no other reason for the car to bring such a bargain price, other than, buyers were literally stampeded off by Joe Ford. The one important buyer emerged, having a need for the car.... to complete a serious collection, and was missing this one important prize – The Ferrari 375 Plus #0384AM.

The only other 375 Plus Ferrari currently (possibly) for sale is priced above $35,000,000.00 and that is the Pierre Bardinon - Ferrari #0396AM. This is the car that is currently off the market for some years now, due to estate concerns and the French Government problems with the 250GTO unauthorized sale from that Estate.

 

UK is where most of the major high-end collector car auction fraudsters base, for the past 35 years. Again, 100% air-car. Bottom line here...100% fraud.

I will pay 2-3 million, tops, in 2014. In just 5-years time this well done replica will in fact go off at auction for 2-5 million (real money).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-scam-identity-tax-refund-fraud-60-minutes/
Enjoy

 

Dog day,

Build some credibility by specifically countering Chrikky's statement not by throwing more unsubstantiated blather.

 

KJ Chrikky is you... right?

 

No, not in the slightest. I do not, never have used any second screen name.

Use specific information that can withstand scrutiny.

You have previously asserted that Kleve's car in Ohio was not 0384. To get there you must disprove that 0384 is what Jim Kimberly bought, owned & raced then subsequently sold to Kleve. You must also disprove that Fred Leydorf bought the 0384 engine from Kleve.

Jeff

 

JK, the replica is in the UK now...so what would it matter if we do? The LA-FBI can not touch it, it is in the UK...right?

 

dogday - although the competition is stiff, so far you are the worst side show inhabiting this thread. Not even entertaining - just a broken, broken record.

>8^)
ER

 

Is the replica in the U.S now O.J.?

 

As of last week #0384 was still in the UK and the high bidder has not taken delivery.
You already knew that though.

 

"You already knew that though" .
No I/we did not. Everyone knows you can move a car (by air) in just one day...

 

The presence of other attorneys is meaningless. We have several jurisdictions at work and there are often multiple attorneys as work on a case.

Cheesey, you are dead wrong in stating that UPL is "at the peril of the client making choices as to whom they choose to represent them." Dead wrong. In fact you are so wrong that your statement does not even rise to the level of being wrong.

In any dealing between a lawyer and a non-lawyer, the burden is on the lawyer to clearly describe his role and to clearly and unambiguously make sure the client knows his credentials and his licensing. Any attorney failing to do this is toast.

I am not commenting on this case, because I don't know if OJ did this or not. My guess--based on how flippantly he characterizes facts here--is that he used his law degree as a resume enhancer and a bragging point. Hell, he has done that on this thread. But whether he did it to get paid here is still not clear.

 

+1

What is also unclear is if, as it is claimed, he was engaged because of his other unique "skill sets" what has been his role in reaching a settlement other then legal manoeuvring ?

OJ states that he put Gardner in default of their profit sharing agreement in 2011 and yet Gardner went on to negotiate and complete the settlement with Florence Swaters that OJ was happy to agree to. For a man that claims to be running the show on behalf of Kleves daughter he appears to be somewhat absent from the proceedings and this may also explain the motivation behind Gardner's decision to take legal action against him

 

It will be interesting to see the following:

If OJ is (and it appears to be the case) deemed not to have been a lawyer in this case, then there is no attorney/client confidentiality, which means that he can reveal any confidence he wants.

It is a two edged sword. Lawyer=confidentiality, otherwise, everything is subject to discovery.

 

No, you are wrong about your statement '"bragging point". OJ is just trying to maintain his position in matter. That's all. OJ has to much time invested in the matter to just go away.

Our position is to try and stop all the fraudulent claims about the 100% documented replica '375 plus chassis' being a real factory original one (which it is not, and never has been).

But, as we have said many times. High-end Ferrari replicas do have major value also. You guys need to contact Bob Norwood and ask him about what he knows about this BS so-called 375 plus "original chassis" Ferrari claims. Bob also knows all about the very early 1980s history claims on most high end Ferraris from the period. Rick Cole also knows the replica fraudulent BS history claims from the 80s (and the list is very long).

 

….becomes longer than "Emergency Room" in US-TV….! And that means a lot.

Its gettin`tiring now…..

 

Dog day,

This is at least an improvement for you that you cite names that, according to you, can/will corroborate your claim. Even better would be to cite specific evidence instead of a smokescreen.

Again I ask:

1. Is it correct that Jim Kimberly purchased 0384? Yes/No
2. Is it correct that Jim Kimberly owned and raced 0384? Yes/No
3. Is it correct that Kimberly sold this car (0384) to Kleve? Yes/No
4. Is it correct that the motor that Kleve sold to Leydorf from the car was 0384? Yes/No

For any NO please provide your reasoning and related evidence.

Jeff

 

JK, remember what I said. "I was there" when the GBI busted Guy, my partner at the time (I called the GBI on Guy and his people).

So you know, we are the very best in world at high end collector car fraud. We (I-PI for LA-FBI) know all about all the major crooks and con games in the biz. The LA-FBI loves us (I-PIs) because we do not take kickbacks. Period.

If we get ban from here again (?) we will be back in the future. And it is a fact, you are talking too a future billionaire. So you will see major change in the biz in the years to come, which is a super great deal indeed.

I have also design a technology that rule out replica tube frame chassis. Yes it will be as easy as 1, 2, 3, in the near future to 100% document a high-end collector car chassis to in fact be a real one. The LA-FBI will have a prototype in the coming year.

So now you know what we are all about here. Thanks for your comment JK. Where you at OJ (you are not the baby daddy!)


http://www.justice.gov/usao/cac/Pressroom/2014/117.html
enjoy JK

 

I have the FBI field and summary reports -- no mention of anyone being with GA when arrested and no mention of any call-in.

We know that. Veteran car buffs have been tricked and deceived according to their affidavits. And your statement -- that is what we call a fraudian slip. Finally, the writer makes a true statement.

A CG trademark.

That makes two fraudian slips in one sentence. We = metalfinder, onebugatti, mbzgurl, flobert, old racer, max vito . . . . banned user = metalfinder, flobert . . .

License that technology to Bonhams for Zanotti. ASAP.

Still here, working on my MG, playing multiple games of chess, consistently clearing the boards of opponent's pieces. You know, last boyscout, white knight . . . . ever find your business hat?


Joe

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OJ, they are all 100% right about you! You are full of total BS! Guy turn himself in by phone, after, I had a long talk with him. Guy never had been in jail, ever. Guy had to much pull downtown and had made to much money to go to jail during this time period. I worked with FDLE and GBI on the matter for months. The FBI was call in much later OJ. That is where all the real fraud started. JK, you follow?

OJ do you still smoke weed dude... because you look like your stone in your pictures..

 

Dogday you are a fraud.

I have the FBI reports. The FBI were active since Kleve filed his report. GA was arrested on his return from Ohio. I have the time and place of his arrest, a description of how it went down, and testimony about the conversation GA had with the FBI on the free ride to booking. You story does not match the evidence; but I am not surprised because . . .

You have nothing. Post what you have. I want the board to know here and now that you are a fraud. I bet your initials are CG.

Surely you realize that the board sees that when one identity is banned or discredited (ex: metalfinder, then Max Vito), another of the usual suspects suddenly starts posting.

Joe

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OJ, if anyone is con-man and fraud it is you. You just don't like the real truth OJ, that is your problem. Again, there was never a original 375 plus Ferrari chassis in OHIO, ever! PERIOD.

What in the hell were you doing in the late 80s, OJ (JK)? I was guy's partner yo-yo! I have never been busted for anything in my life sir. How about you OJ?

OJ, JK, as you both know well by now, high-end collector car replicas have major value today also. Guy, was paid-off in this major fraud in the end, that is when the 100% real fraud started in the case. The LA-FBI is following this thread OJ, for your records.