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  1. drbob101

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    #26 drbob101, Sep 29, 2014
    Good point. Maybe start a poll, F1 or manual, crank or no crank. Maybe it is an F1 thing.
     
  2. Dave rocks

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    #27 Dave rocks, Sep 29, 2014
    See post number 25 - looks like it's not an F1 thing. Probably more about build date. Looks like it may have changed sometime in 97.
     
  3. Dino Chang

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    #28 Dino Chang, Sep 29, 2014
    Why is it just 5.2 cars? 2.7s have imobilizers to, but i suppose the question is are they the same allarm/ imobilizers.
     
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    #29 Dave rocks, Sep 29, 2014
    Not in the US...
     
  5. Dino Chang

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    #30 Dino Chang, Sep 29, 2014
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    They do in the UK. I think Maranello concessionaires had every 355 fitted with one when they were the importers of the 355s.
    There is a little bladed key with a ferrari horse on it, that slots into a female inlet to deactivate the immobilizer.
    I cant recall what the rest of Europe has.
    Just grabbed a shot of it for anyone who is interested.
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  6. gf1red

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    #31 gf1red, Sep 29, 2014
    Same here.
     
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    #32 Shootfighter65, Sep 29, 2014
    What he said ... Wish I could take this system out of the car. Annoying
     
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    #33 Scuderia NoVA, Sep 29, 2014
    98 F1 Spider. Engine cranks. Does not start whenever immobilizer on.
     
  9. taz355

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    #34 taz355, Sep 29, 2014
    99 f1 cranks no start. When armed.
     
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    #35 fatbillybob, Sep 29, 2014
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    Thank all of you for participating in my query.

    Here are the totals:
    1996 no crank 3 owners
    1997 no crank 8 owners
    1998 no crank 4 owners WILL crank 5 owners
    1999 no crank 1 owner WILL crank 3 owners

    We "might" be able to conclude that 96 and 97 355's will not crank if immobilizer is armed
    We can conclude that 98 and 99 355s may or may not crank if immobilizer is armed

    The reason for my query is that I think it is important for every 355 owner to find out if they have a crank or no crank car if immobilizer is on. Knowing this important piece of data will help if there ever is a no start situation to rule out immobilizer issues as a culprit. A car that cranks if the immobilizer is on or off adds in the immobilizer as a possible source of no start because it is "possible" that the FOB is not disarming it even if the FOB light is on and door locks cycle (isn't that special). A car that will not crank we can be sure that if it does crank under a no start condition the immobilizer can't be part of the problem.
    I also do not know what happens if the 3 FOB's and immobilizer ECU are swapped out when PIN's are lost. Is the crank or no crank a function of model year Motronic 5.2 ECU's or a strategy in the immobilizer ECU? If in the immobilizer what strategy is being sold today?
    At this time since we can't exorcise this terrible immobilizer system out of our cars we need to learn as much about it as possible.
    Thanks for all your help and I hope this was educational for all of you.
     
  11. Dave rocks

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    #36 Dave rocks, Sep 29, 2014
    This winter I'm planning to trace the circuits the immobilizer kills in hopes to find a work around.

    With my 98, it seems as the fuel and spark are cut but I will check all related to ignition.

    Stay tuned.
     
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    #38 Steve355F1, Sep 30, 2014
    '98 F1. Cranks but won't start.
     
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    #39 WATSON, Sep 30, 2014
    I would be interested to see these results with VIN and Assy numbers as well as F1 versus 6 speed.
     
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    #40 Dave rocks, Sep 30, 2014
    Good idea. I don't think VIN has anything to do with it but assy number would be good.

    Mine is 1998, assembly no 28459. Starter will crank.
     
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    #41 UConn Husky, Sep 30, 2014
    '99 F1 cranks but no start, done it many times forgetting to hit that stupid immobilizer button...
     
  17. Dino Chang

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    #42 Dino Chang, Sep 30, 2014
    You know i have been thinking about this.
    Maybe the cars never left the factory with imobilizers and alarms. It may have been up to FNA to equip the cars with alarms and imobilizers. As i said earlier, in the UK it was up to Maranello Concessionaires who imported the cars to fit them. They also fitted little horses to the rear of the little Dino that came into the country.
    So any factory vin numbers wont matter. Had they been factory fitted as standard then other countrys importers would not have botherd fitting there own.
    I have not seen what the USA imobilizers are like, it seems that other countrys have there own types of systems. So now you know what the UK 355s were fitted with, whats the systems like in the US and the rest of the world? Its easy to think that just because the US has this system that every one has, this is not the case it seems.
    My cars are a 95 and a 97 and with the imobilizer on they do not crank, but my system is not like the majority on here who are in the US.
     
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    #43 AlfistaPortoghese, Sep 30, 2014
    '98 F1 GTS, cranks but no start.
     
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    #44 SoCal1, Sep 30, 2014
    You may be correct, in that era many cars came into port without many items that were port installed meaning here in the USA I was intimately involved with Port Elizabeth (Newark) were we got a HUGE break in duties if we had a shop setup in the port were AC was installed with other option "packages" Occasionally allotments came without even a heater that needed to be installed, these cars were intended for Puerto Rico then rerouted to the US converted.
    Also many other brands had the same thing including Citron SM, Renault and Alfa what has been taken over by FNA including the building Sylvan Ave in Englewoodcliffs
    Funny I used to ride my bicycle in that shop to look at the silly looking cars in the early 70's

    I know UK and Belgium had different alarm requirements then the US on reset delay and something else


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    #45 Dave rocks, Sep 30, 2014
    Dino, I highly doubt the US cars came from the factory without immobilizers.
     
  21. Dino Chang

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    #46 Dino Chang, Sep 30, 2014
    Could the same not be said of the UK as well? Or Germany or any other country.
    Why do you highly doubt it about the US mate?
     
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    #47 Dave rocks, Sep 30, 2014
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    True. I doubt it because it would be a ton of work and the photo you show does not represent the stuff we have here.

    Our immobilizers are located behind the driver's seat (behind a panel) in a cage that must have rivets drilled out to even access the cables. Plus, the PIN number was generated by Ferrari (not FNA) and it would have been a bigger mess if FNA installed these.
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    #48 Dino Chang, Sep 30, 2014
    Gotch ya, i see it now in the picture.
    Both of our immobilisers and alarm control units are under the centre consul.
     
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    #49 RWP137, Sep 30, 2014
    96' GTS No Crank
     
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    #50 Eric C, Sep 30, 2014
    What kind of work were you doing here? Which box is the immobilizer?
     
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