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Keeping These Cars Alive In the Future.

Discussion in '348/355' started by pnicholasen, Sep 30, 2014.

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  1. pnicholasen

    pnicholasen Formula 3

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    After reading the recent thread where the 348 's engine was running on 1/2 of it's Enzo-given cylinders due to electronic gremlins, I started pondering will there be an Achilles heal in the future that may make our cars suitable only for scrap. My main concern is some computer or sensor becoming Unobtainium and making the cars un drivable.
    The engine ECUs are (I assume) model specific. Anybody have an idea what the world spare supply of those are, or if the can be repaired if they go on the fritz? Then there are all those sensors it talks too. The crank angle sensors can be substituted with Kia versions. Are the MAFs, throttle position sensors etc replaceable/repairable? Is there some other part that could be our downfall?
    I figure the ABS computer is shared with a Lincoln, and if they dry up, one will just have to go with non ABS brakes. I already got rid of the climate control computer on my car, so that's not an insurmountable problem.
    I kind of wonder in 20 years if these cars will be highly prized because subsequent models with their myriad of electronic do-dads will cease to function as the supply of parts is depleted. You gotta think a LaFerrari, with it's unbelievable complexity, in 30 years will be suitable only as a garden planter.
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

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    ECU:: Motec--if and when my ECU dies, I will replace the whole kit and caboodle with a Motec--put the car on a dyno and sort out the power production by giving the engine a proper tune.

    ABS:: If my ABS dies, I will simply unplug it and live without ABS--as I have seen several challenge cars do.
     
  3. SoCal1

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    ^^^^^
    Yup, not an issue at all
     
  4. dapper

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    The Motronic ECU's are on many other vehicles of same/similar age. I've bought a couple for the other vehicles and torn them apart as parts to form the basis of a break out box. But as suggested there are other alternatives, after all its just a timed series of sparks and fuel spray timing etc, not a big deal.
     
  5. ClydeM

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    Cars die. We'll have to scavenge parts from their rotting corpses.

    Too macabre? :)
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The biggest threat to these or any car really is legislation. Not only do the hand wringers want them gone just for general principals but modifications like the other posters have suggested are not legal in California and our dumb ideas have a nasty habit of spreading like a bad cold. Additionally legislation ideas about restricting or outright banning rebuilding of many other systems components get floated all the time and are only a matter of time.

    Keep it in mind when you vote.
     
  7. Enzojr

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    OMG the Government again , I knew it !!!!!!!
    Next they will be coming for my guns .............
    Be right back somebody is knocking on the front door, damn they are going to break it .........
     
  8. Stentboy

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    Yep, in 20-25 years there will be discussions about "rebodies", like the Mopar enthusiasts.
     
  9. tbakowsky

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    Now that is the truth.


    It does not matter one tiny bit if you can keep the car going with aftermarket systems. If its illegal to do so, then eventually these beloved cars will end up in the trash along with yesterdays newspaper.

    Enjoy them while you can, I can see things drastically changing for the gas powered car, once electric really starts to take hold. And to be honest, I really cant see to many people in the future wanting a gas car.
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    In Europe they are already banning some cars from operating in some of the cities. Just wait until some of our more ardent tree hugging politicians or unelected regulating agencies figure that out. The good news is the wheels of government grind very slow but as Jim G. says they grind exceedingly fine.
     
  11. Big Lebowski

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    You guys need to move down south where we cling to our guns and religion (and the legislators stay out of our garages).
     
  12. driveitdaily

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    #12 driveitdaily, Sep 30, 2014
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    As a proud yankee , i have to leave that one alone or i 'll get banned again . Lol


    " serenity now "
     
  13. driveitdaily

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    Ok so there msy be an answer for engine electronics , but i pointed out in the trans choice thread , what about all the rest potential disasters , window ecu 's , spider top ecu's , hvac ,locks , speedo. , etc .what a mess the cars will be if nothing works, i cant see someone stepping up and making those types of electronics for such low volume cars ,and this wont be just a ferrari issue , the guys with cars like , lets say , a lotus evora are thinking the same thing , " i want to drive this car for 25 more years" same situation , a low volume car, with lots of specialty electronics . Luckily , we have a better shot woth our 348 's or 355 's , there are only a few computer modules , but still enoigh to cause headaches if they fail and the supply of new or used modules run out


    " serenity now "
     
  14. driveitdaily

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    #14 driveitdaily, Sep 30, 2014
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    Imagine , in the future , all gas cars be required to be retrofitted to electric, then the 355 guys wont be able to relish in the womderful f1 sound , it will just look pretty and sound like any other kitchen blender
    Maybe you will be able to add a system like the new mustang , the electric 355 will play the sound of a gas powred 355 thru the speakers. Lol

    " serenity now "
     
  15. tbakowsky

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    That's where it's headed if you open your eyes. I'm already starting to looking into servicing tesla cars, and what equipment i will need in the future.

    There will be no retro fitting anything to older cars.

    The sound is wonderful, and unfortunately enjoy it while it lasts. I do.

    Serenity now
     
  16. driveitdaily

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    Oh come on , self driving electric cars , that sounds about as crazy as a hand held device that can connect wirelessly to people , communication and a worldwide web of computers.


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  17. tbakowsky

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    On another note, airbags are part of a safety inspection. If that little red light is on, the car fails inspection instantly. Are you going to trust a cobbled together impact sensor, module etc for your safety? What if that module deploys the airbags while your driving at 100mph?

    These systems and others are regulated for a reason. Once the powers the be stop allowing them, that's it. Nothing you can do.

    Once the changes I suspect are going to take place, the car as we know it presently will not be on the road. It will be somthing quite amazing.
     
  18. tbakowsky

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    Did I say anything about self driving anywhere?
     
  19. driveitdaily

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    That was the point i made in another thread , those cars from the sixties reached a ripe old age , and they still run because of their simplicity, and they have in some cases reached phenomenal values . To think this will happen again when 1990 ferraris reach that age is uncertain ,there is so much speculation on future values .
    I dont think will be a repeat , will the 355 be the daytona spider of thr future , hell no , in 30 years it will not be a running or roadworty vehicle , either by mechanical fate or legislation. Enjoy it now , dont let it waste away in a garage hoping for future $$$$!


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  20. driveitdaily

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    #20 driveitdaily, Sep 30, 2014
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    You didnt have to say self driving , the manufacturers have made it clear , that is the goal
    Thats not the distant future , theyre out there now. When will the first lawsuit involving an accident and a self driving car occur , thats the question . Lol
    Seriously tho , even with future legislation to kill the car as we know it , there are bound to be waivers and exemptions , but fate of the gas car is inevitible , so all the speculation of future value maybe be needless , if it doesnt run and drive its worthless , unless you can figure out a way to make a 348/355 run on hydrogen. I still cant get my vcr to play a dvd ??????
    " serenity now "
     
  21. jimmym

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    Pretty scary stuff. If the car is involved in an accident, at least the driver won't end up getting any points added to his insurance policy.:D
     
  22. tbakowsky

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    Sure..you may still be able to drive your car at historic events, track days etc.

    But what we are seeing now in electric is the "model T" years.

    Self driving cars as the norm are a far bit off into the future. The infrastructure to support them is costly and still is not completely reliable. However, if you look at the new Benz products and the tech in those cars, it may be closer then anyone thinks. Heck they practically drive themselves now!

    Quite a change is on the horizon. Of course they said the same thing 50 years ago, but with the tech we have, it's much closer to reality.
     
  23. tbakowsky

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    Lol..that's a whole other can of worms I don't even want to think about!!
     
  24. driveitdaily

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    #24 driveitdaily, Sep 30, 2014
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    This subject reminds me of something i saw on tv, Jay Leno and an old car he owns , i believe a Stanley , yes it runs on steam , and yes it still runs and is roadworthy , but if anyone else saw the program i saw , the whole process to get it lit and running looked like pure torture , all for a short drive , and frankly looked like more work than it was worth, that could be the future of the gssoline car.
    If were right , 25 years from now the owner of the 5000 mile car will look back and realize it was a shame to not drive and enjoy it

    " serenity now "
     
  25. Rifledriver

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    I know people with an entire warehouse full of cars with less then 5000 miles and they enjoy them just fine. You are myopic. People get enjoyment in many ways, quit insisting it has to be your way to be valid.
     

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