I'm confused, Aircon, did your closed cockpit help when you had your accident avoiding that tractor at the race track ? You're still pretty dumb, don't see it helped in any way
I assume that they're safer I just don't know how specifically. Hasn't LMP gone back and forth on open/closed? Is it appropriate to draw strong correlation's between F1 and Endurance races? With its mix of cars, variety of driver skills, length of races and other factors enduro racing may need stronger cars to reach effective parity with F1 in terms of safety. While we're at it, what would the weight penalty really be? How would it effect the CG on an F1 car?
I say take off their helmets and stick their bony heads out where we can see em ! Everyone knows that racing is dangerous. I want to see the fear in their beady little eyeballs ! Its a risk I'm willing to take.
I was thinking only the straight at best but you obviously hold them in higher esteem multinational BS can I have a burger like the one up there in the picture please Mr Macca ?
Oh dear. Nothing vindictive in anything I've posted. You have repeatedly claimed it was a smart tactical move and defended it. Nothing bad happened, so it's all good. The fat ****er is a 'likeable rogue'. Not to me. I was actually a little hopeful that this disaster may have opened your eyes a little to the *fact* that any accident is, by definition, unpredictable. As I've said before, they dodged a bullet. What if someone had ploughed into him and been killed? What if another driver picked up debris and went into the wall as a result? That's my point. Now you're here, as a result of a single, freak, accident wanting to change everything that makes F1 the greatest motorsport on the planet. Is HYPOCRITE your middle name? Ian
They could just keep the cranes off the track... Nearly every inch of an F1 track is designed to be impacted except of course for a 6.5 ton crane near a corner exit.
There are tracks where it's not possible to position a reach over crane at every corner but it seems that they could make more use out of them.
We have a big race here , the Bathust 1000, which has a SC whenever a recovery vehicle is on the track , causes long delays but gives us an excuse to go to the fridge for a beer or two
Agreed. But then the problem becomes where to put them? Areas where the runoff is tight? Areas where it's 'big', & they can cover the most area? I guarantee ****ing Murphy will get involved, and the next time (hopefully, far, far in the future) this kind of **** happens it'll be just out of the reach of cranes A & B, that nobody envisaged anyone ever crashing *there*, and why wasn't there a tractor close by like there used to be! And the MMQB's will return. Seriously, I do think they may look into 'boom over the barrier' solutions. But, again, remember the marshals still have to be out there to hook it up..... Aussie taxicab racing! I always knew the reason Nascar throws yellows if a chip wrapper gets on the track was to allow beer breaks! Same in Aus it seems! Cheers, Ian
If Bernie can force the changes he did on Sliverstone he can mandate suitable over barrier equipment and access paths behind the barriers for them to maneuver. Or they can strictly enforce yellows.
A little bit of both, maybe?..... Seems some here believe decades of experience doesn't count for anything, the FIA are all idiots and the drivers fools. We've now heard from tractor drivers, on site docs, and flaggers that many years of experience and study have resulted in the current protocols. And again, I'll maintain they're damn good. Could they be improved? No doubt, but it ain't as easy as the knee jerkers would have us believe is my point..... [i know you don't fail into that category BTW..... Just sayin'] Ian
Knee jerker no. Knee twitcher? On occasion. I just hope that there are lessons taken. Too often "it's they way we've always done it" is considered sufficient reason.
What's the point of F1 then? I mean, just do away with F1, replace it with single seater GT prototype cars, which is what your "solution" would result in. And, what about the downsides of a closed cockpit? Like being trapped in a fire. Or trapped in a flipped car. Or other things. Which is why the "solution" of a closed cockpit is nothing more than a poorly thought out knee jerk reaction. By the way, do any current drivers support a closed cockpit or is this just being proposed by bench racers? This has been presented to him several times but it doesn't seem to sink it. Car racing is an anachronism so by his logic, it's bad. -F
BINGO. Check it out. A well thought out solution to the actual source of the injury. No knee jerk fake solutions necessary. -F
IMO no to closed cockpits. We might as well stop all forms of racing. My point is, racing is dangerous. And there's only so much we can do to prevent it. This whole incident involving Jules is just purely bad luck, IMO.
I beg to differ. (Not on the knee jerkers, but on this being the solution... ) He was in a section under double waved yellows. Exactly the same as we see trackwide when the SC is deployed. They all tend to go too damn fast in order to get 'in line' behind it. Takes ages. Then we have the lucky dogs unlapping themselves. Takes even more time. And then the MMQB's whine that they're all ******* and it should have been handled by a local yellow, and we're back to square one. Ian
Madness Ron Braaksma. Love the F16 canopy top fuel boats..but they die too. His driver was killed so the widow sued Ron. Just a side note off into the weeds....
F1 should consider enclosed cockpits - Claire Williams BBC Sport - Jules Bianchi: F1 should consider enclosed cockpits - Claire Williams I suppose she is just another busy-body who doesn't know what she is talking about?
Openings could be on the sides of the cockpit, rather than on the top, like on a LMP. That would give the driver more chance to exit than presently on an F1. Designers would just have to relocate the sidepods, etc... A composite chassis with integrated roof would be very strong, even more if doubled with a tubular roll cage.
Jules Bianchi is just the last of the long list of drivers maimed/killed because of open cockpit configuration. From Mike Spence, and several Indy drivers, to Henry Surtees and many others killed by wheel intrusion in the cockpit. What about Senna, killed by projectile, or Massa injured by a flying bolt? Closed cockpit wouldn't save everybody, but surely they would save some lives. Is that so unbearable to contemplate?
