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  1. Loser

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    I recently replaced the ignition wires in my F355 M5.2. I checked all the spark plugs when I made the change and they looked fine. About a month later, the new #1 wire melted against the block for some reason and shorted. I found this because the car started missing out. I ordered some new 7mm copper core cable from Kingsborne and rebuilt the cable.

    Now when I drive the car it runs fine about 10% of the time and the remaining 90% of the time it is missing out and sounds like a helicopter. I pulled the #1 plug from the distributor and the spark is very strong. It also jumps from the distributor to the plug indicating that there is a connection on the spark plug end. When I pulled the plug from the distributor, the engine noise didn't change much. I tried pulling a spark plug boot out, but I can't seem to get them loose. I'm going to try to fashion a tool to help.

    In the mean time, if I don't see anything wrong with the plugs, any ideas of what else to look at?

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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    These are the ones sold by Ricambi. I hope that doesn't end up being the issue. What do you recommend for wire? I can rebuild them by reusing the boots.
    I'm planning on having my major done this spring, so I'll be seeing you then.
     
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    Take a look at them at night, look for sparking

    I run with the cover off, runs much better
     
  4. Loser

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    I did that last night. No sparks or blue lights at night. The last set did that.
     
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    100% positive you didn't get your wires chris crossed?
     
  6. Loser

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    I just checked. They are correct
     
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    Do you still have your old wires? I'd start swapping wires until you find the trouble maker.
     
  8. Loser

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    That's a good idea. I just need to figure out how to pull the plug boots out without pulling the wire.
     
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    The wires need to be the wound core. Solid core wires won't work properly.
     
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    I would change, at the very least, the plug with the shorted wire and probably all the plugs because I have been bitten by the "it has new/good plugs" excuse on more than one occasion.
     
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    Bruce I didn't know that what happens if you use solid by accident.
     
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    I can't give a scientific explanation, just my experience. On a 328. Put on solid core wires. I was thinking I was putting on better wires. Car wouldn't run right, drove me nuts. Miss, miss, miss. Friend said ya have to use wound core. I did. Car ran perfectly. I dunno, maybe the solid core wires did such a good job, they drained the coils and they didn't recharge fast enough for the next spark. Like I say, I'm in no way an expert on electricals. Don't know a watt from an ohm.
     
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    Ok so solid core gave lots of misses then. Our 355s and 348s both use wound cores then. Is this correct?
     
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    You can make your own tool to pull the wires.
     
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    I believe the original wires were copper core. I did however notice that after I installed the new wires, there was a significant amount of whining noise in the stereo. The new wires are also copper core. I just ordered some bulk Kingborne 7mm mag-wire wound wire. We'll see if that helps with the whining. I will also try replacing the spark plugs. NGK PMR8A correct? Or is it PMR7A?
     
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    Pmr7 (hotter) for 2.7 cars pmr8 for 5.2.
     
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    Those non resister wires really crossfire, use them for magneto blower motors running alcohol or nitro not these wind up toys

    :)
     
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    So I bought some Kingsborne 7mm Mag-Wire Wound Wire and installed it into my #1 ignition wire. The copper core cable measures 6.2KOhms, but the wire wound cable measures 7.5KOhms. Is this alright for the F355 M5.2 or should the resistance be lower? I want to be sure before I modify all of the wires.

    I am also installing new PMR8A plugs all around.
     
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    I went ahead and updated all 8 wires since it is fairly simple to change them back if needed. I had a problem with one of the boots arcing, but I pulled it apart and reassembled it which seemed to resolve the issue.

    Overall, it definitely runs better. I didn't get a chance to drive it down the road yet though. Hopefully I'll have time to try it on Monday afternoon.
     
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    Cool
    Weird that the solid core wires are "too good", huh?
     
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    The solid core wires worked for a couple months, then quit. I also changed the plugs, so it is possible that the plugs were the issue.
     

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