If you give too much throttle, you should blow the tires off. That's in the OM too And, I always warm up before driving. 5-7 minutes seems to do the trick
This thread is very eye opening. It's pretty clear who knows and understands the cars and who doesn't, regardless of ownership status. It's good to take into consideration when weighing advice from everyone. Very informative.
Yes the revs DO rise in between gears during the down shift, but that has nothing to do with the throttle. The same thing happens if you don't match revs correctly in an early, non drive by wire F1 transmission or a three pedal manual transmission.
Really? Not to be disrespectful to the guys posting here but you sure could not convince me that discussing what happens when you down shift an F1 based on empirical observations gives any credence to the idea that someone has broad overall knowledge of these cars. The flip side is that I feel I know enough about my manual car to diagnose most problems but a pot full of piss know more than I do about downshifting and F1. On the other hand, 10 minutes in an F1 car should be long enough to figure it out. P.S. Feel free to ignore this post. I'm just trying to get to 2000 posts so I can retire from posting. GoM -If you aren't looking through jaundiced eyes, you haven't suffered the wisdom of age. Old men always know better but no one ever listens to us. That's why we are grumpy!
I feel I can learn from everyone here, regardless. We have varying degrees of experience and knowledge, each valuable and handy at different times. I'm new to the F1 system and keep learning about it from members with different ages, timezones and ownership experiences. Surely it isn't an issue. I also warm up before I drive off, but much less than Dave stated. I usually let it warm up 2 or 3 minutes and then drive off slowly. Regards, Nuno.
Yep, just like that pesky OBD II system that keeps telling you something is amiss. Seriously Dave, just take the car out, bring it up to 4k in 3rd or 4th. Take your foot off the gas, allow the engine to drag and pop the downshift level. Is there any sense of the engine spooling up from other than the reengagement of the clutch? Obviously, if you keep the pedal position fixed the engine will rev before reengagement, just like an ordinary manual, due to it being unloaded, as was posted earlier. I did note though, that the TPS for the F1 car is different than the TPS for the manual. Begs the question, why?
John, when I am coming to a stop, I have 2 choices: (Sport mode, non-auto) 1) Downshift thru all gears via the paddles 2) Allow the TCU to drop the gear to 1 I 99% of the time use #1. When using #1, the motor is almost at idle RPM and I'm going very slow - you can hear the "blip" on every single downshift. I suspect that is from the additional air injection that Brian has posted. If I use option #2, I don't hear jack - nothing, nodda...
And that's the end of that. I don't recall anyone on here claiming that it DOES have anything to do with the throttle. I think the manual guys are so obsessed with the whole "heel and toe" thing that they can't envisage any other situation where the revs could rise during the downshift phase. The only thing that owners of F1 cars have said from the outset is that the revs DO rise during downshifts (and I mean between gears). I've spent the last week using my 355 as a daily driver (something I never normally do) and have experienced literally hundreds of gear changes in that time. The fact is, it does happen, and anyone who claims otherwise either has no idea what they're talking about or is being deliberately contrary.
Or option 3: shift to neutral and use your brakes to slow down. Replacing break pads is much cheaper than replacing the clutch. Also, I hope your 5-7 minute warm up routine involves keeping the RPMs low on the first 5-7 minutes of your drive and not just idling in your driveway... Even 5-7 minutes of low RPM driving is overkill, but letting your car idle like that is pretty pointless I do believe.
I do what works for me and have developed the process over time thru experimentation. If it does not work for you, that's cool with me
Just saying.. Downshifting to come to a stop is going to put a lot more wear and tear on your car than simply using your brakes. And idling your car for 7 minutes is just using up unnecessary gas and time. The best way to warm up your car is to drive it. I always let it sit for about 30 seconds, but that was mainly to let the air recirc valve finish its thing since it's pretty embarrassing to drive around with that high pitched whistle shrieking away. If you have to put on a clown suit and call the local witch doctor to bless your car before driving, that's all good, but I reserve the right to call you a weirdo for doing so
The poster you quoted is an owner of F1 GTS that he purchased brand new. He is does not own a manual.
Seriously? You don't see the continued, repeated, misrepresented assumptions that continue to be propagated by a few owners here who, despite facts, continue to deny the truth on several subjects? I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying that the "De'nile" of the facts is just mind blowing. We've got polls, dealer opinions, market data, factory manuals, science, factory trained technicians, logic, common sense and black and white facts that some just continue to choose to ignore. "Well mine just does XY or Z and all of those previously mentioned variables don't apply." Please... I've gotta think that many folks just don't read entire threads, and just reply based on what they think they know, after only reading the OP and not considering all the facts presented in this or any number of other threads. And, if you think I'm ever gonna stop reading Dave, you are mistaken. I've been here for quite awhile. I know a thing or two about these cars, the market, and the differences, positive and negative that each subset brings. I'm biting my tounge for the time being... ***edit*** And this isn't solely directed to you Dave, but one think I was tought when I was young was humility. Admitting you're wrong, when you're wrong is a virtue. One of which many people don't seem to have. Let's not let ego get in the way of fact. We all own the best modern Ferrari made (well, I don't anymore for the time being). Can we just all stop trying to measure our *****s and playing favorites?
WTF is your point? It's a complex discussion, yes, a discussion. One that help people learn more. I know my car well but I'm learning more every day. You could care less about F1 cars so why are you joining in this discussion? I'm sick and tired of every thread on this forum turning into an argument. It's a discussion, be a positive part or stay out.
To your edit Luke: I have zero problem admitting when I am wrong, if you like I'll do a search and point out the times I said it, more than one. In this thread, I'm not, as Brian confirmed. Peace.
I could care less about the F1? I'm not positive? I might be the biggest proponent of the 355 on this site. Please don't assume you know anything about me or what I care about. I love the 355 F1. It's unique. It's different than the later F1s. It's the first of the breed. Do I question its relative value? Yes. Apparently, I'm not alone. Should we reopen that debate? I'm pretty sure that was settled, but again, some people will choose to debate or, as you put it "argue" the facts. From this same thread, the above is an early post from me, stating the now confirmed facts about the 355 F1, and also should you note, praising it for what it is.
There is a good link here to read. www.theautochannel.com/publications/magazines/sci/dec-jan-98pg52frame I tired for the life of me to down load it to Fchat
I could be wrong, but i honestly dont think so, but It seems to me that the people with sticks are trying to say that their car is worth more... not like its hard to find one.There are enough sticks out in the market..No shortage at all!..Except 99..and the poll and opinions are from biased current owners..The people that are going to be the ones that decide in the future do not own the car yet!..and as far as dealers making comments like Bradan..He has an 355f1 for sale he has had it for a while.He probably thinks (assumes) if was a stick it would have sold already..But look at the market those sticks are not selling well either.I said it before and I will say it again.I dont think people have spent enough time with both to really know..I was an F1 Hater like most of you stick guys..Then spent enough.Let me say that again ENOUGH time with it!..I love both and have owned both.. dreamer you say you love the F1?, but Im having a hard time buying it,Because you look to put it down at the same time..Denial..No..Knowledge of both
