There is alot of things that the 355f1 system will do that alot of people dont know. For one most think that if your speedo dies that you cant upshift.You can upshift and down shift you just need to know what to do. If your speedo dies most believe that you can only shift up to second...not true.Example when your car only shifts to second with a dead speedo keep driving it up to about 40mph in second pull both paddles to N, then pull the right paddle only and you will see that you will get 5th or 6th gear depending on speed, and you will be able to down shift as normal down to first.Its a safe mode thing so you can get the car home.I never read this in the WSM i found this by accident when my speedo went out.I'm still working on that link thats a great read about the 355f1 system and the blip. Stay tuned
Once again another 355 thread that ends up with the same comment , you dont own one , youre not welcome in this dicussion , why are you joining in this discussion , stay out , and so on . This is an open internet forum , freedom of speech and all that. Say anything negative and get branded as a hater . For me , not a hater of the 355 or the f1 or whatever the discusdion of the day is , i think it and the 348 are truely awesome cars,but i am a hater of childish , arrogant attitudes. 2 cents . Peace . " serenity now "
I agree John. Everybody has the right to post on topics whether they are directly involved or not. I do not understand why some of these threads have to go in this direction. We are all car enthusiast's aren't we?
Jim, I agree - read my post again. It was directed at Luke's post of "Denial". Of course we are all free to post, I just can't understand people that get involved in a discussion that's not important to them just to sir the pot...
Dave, it is not you that Luke is referring to, I believe. I know you have a mechanical background and when information is presented to you, you evaluate it using logic and reasoning. It is a few of the new owners of these cars that do not seem to get it, even when presented with information from well known mechanics. It is that same type of logic that was used in the F1 vs manual debate.
I don't think Luke cares about which car is more valuable at this point, especially since he sold his car awhile back.
I do have to give dave credit , he does offer knowledgeable info , and has an interest as a true enthusiast , and i'll admit , an enthusiasm i probably lost many years ago , i'm around cars 6 days a week for s living and i'm over cars . That said , it's hard somtimes to read the words , our minds inject attitude that somtimes the poster did not intend , but sometimes certain phrases really add fuel to the fire . I dont think ownership should be a bolster for credibility, it doesnt hurt , but its far from necessary. " serenity now "
I think that this is the issue here. There is no way that the car can match revs when there is no ECU controlled fly-by-wire throttle to blip the throttle in between shifts, like there is on a 360 onward. However, people are arguing with Luke that there car does exactly that. Brian comes on here and says that it's just not possible but people are arguing against his point. Yeah, as if Brian doesn't know. Seriously. The end result of all of that is that it's hard to take people seriously with advice after they clearly illustrate that they don't have a clue about what they're talking about, yet they put it out like it's the gospel. Look, everyone makes mistakes. I sure as hell do. That's no big deal. I think that continuing to argue in the face of all of the facts is what really sinks people. Outside of all of that, I don't see why anyone could suggest that Luke shouldn't be here or shouldn't be involved in this or any other post here. Also, as a bystander, I don't see that he's stirring the pot; he's simply commenting on exactly what Jimmy said above. Furthermore, he's owned two 355s and I would put $100 that he will own another much sooner than anyone thinks.
Sorry, with due respect, you have it wrong. Please tell me and show me where folks are stating the car does "match revs" In fact, many of us have stated over and over that is does not. It does however, raise RPM, or blip, or whatever you want to call it based on increased air injection. See Brian's post # 19, here is the quote:
Not sure of this but , my opinion would be , based on my knoeledge of auto repair , and technology i see in our shop , in order to rev match , the 355 would need to have servo operated throttle bodys , like todays modern driving by wire cars , we service a few 355 's for customers , and i dont have one in the shop now , but if they have throttle bodies driven by a cable to the accelerator pedal , they have no capability to rev match . " serenity now "
Yes. No need to worry, Dave. The comments were directed at me, not you. I dont want to get into a big argument about what is really a trivial issue, but what I will say is that Luke should take some of his own advice and read the whole thread. Nowhere did anyone claim that the system was "rev matching" in the traditional sense of the words. He introduced that phrase and then got hung up on it. No one else did. The word "blip" was mentioned several times to try to explain the fact that there is a noticeable rise in revs during the downshift procedure. That is all that was claimed, nothing more. All it is is an observation, and none of the owners who reported noticing it claimed to know for sure how or why it happens. I really hope tr512 can get that link to work as it will probably be more helpful than virtually anything we have read so far. The only other thing I'd say, since comments were also directed at me in relation to my view on the relative value of the manual / F1, is that some of you guys really need to understand that the world doesn't begin and end in the US. Especially on the Internet. What you have to say about your local market is undoubtedly more accurate than what I would say about it. But when placed against most of the rest of the world your market is "strange" to say the least, and I did make that observation. The fact is in the markets that I monitor very closely, there is no premium being asked or paid for the manual cars. But some people can't see past their own borders and refuse to accept that fact. Ironically they are the same people who say they have every right to contribute to threads which have no direct relevance to them (they do, by the way), but then try to belittle someone who wades into a thread about the Ferrari market with observations from the rest of the world. The word hypocrisy springs to mind...
Correct. With a cable throttle, it is possible to rev match but the driver has to do it with the throttle pedal which, again, is what makes the 355's F1 system really cool. You actually still have to drive the car instead of just pulling paddles and having it do all the work for you.
I don't know how much time you've spent on a racetrack but the only purpose of "blipping" the throttle is to match revs on down shift. Therefore, this is merely a question of semantics as maybe you don't understand what it was that you were actually saying. You would only blip to match revs so they are really one and the same in reference. Of course, if you would like to further push this off course by questioning my racetrack experience, by all means, please go ahead. Dave, I am not trying to pick a fight with you or start anything here. I am just saying that I can see where others are coming from.
Clearly you have not read the whole thread. I know exactly what rev matching is and I've raced cars and done this plenty of times.
Soryy if my post is redundant , me and sherpa were prolly typing the same thing at the same time . Lol . If there is some capability thru air injection , or what i think is probably being referred to , would be thru an idle stabalization system , its capability would be minimal , possibly 3 to 5 hundered rpm " serenity now "
And I would say you are correct. What all the F1 owners have been trying to discuss is this does happen, we did not know how or why, but we knew something was going on. Once again, a discussion has turned into s **** storm
Right, so it's enough to be noticeable, but is not in any way "rev matching". Exactly what we have reported noticing all along. Thank you.
