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599 DTC Codes /Engine control system failure

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  1. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    I just purchased a 2010 Ferrari 599 GTB with 2,700 miles. I've only put about 50 miles on the car and after coming back from a ride I got the dreaded Engine Control System Failure warning on the dash. The car runs fine and I've charged the battery and tightened the gas cap but that has not taken off the warning. I finally used a DTC code reader and the errors on the car were codes 2188 and 2190 which from what I could find surfing the net said the car was running to rich. I had a PIP done on the care before purchase and this did not show up. Am I reading these codes right? Could it just be the change in climate buying the car out of state making the car run richer?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    SVT
     
  2. mike_c

    mike_c Rookie

    Jul 14, 2014
    35
    Virginia, USA
    I have a 2010 599 GTB, and had a similar problem with the Engine Control System Failure displayed on the dash, a week or so after buying the car.

    When you first saw the warning, had you refueled the car in the prior day or 2? When you said that after you saw the warning, that you tightened the gas cap and charged the battery; were you able to tighten the gas cap at all? If so, and the car runs fine, it sounds like the same issue I had, and it goes away without any significant effort. There are multiple prior posts about others with the same issue, and how to cycle the ignition.

    Mine went away after ensuring the gas cap was definitely closed, and driving it a week. (My gas cap felt closed, but it is different than other cars, the rubber gasket binds, and I didn't want to overtighten, therefore it wasn't fully closed). I decided against disconnecting the battery, since the car starts/shifts/drives fine, but it took at least 15-20 ignition start/drive, shutoff cycles for the error to go away
     
  3. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    Thanks for the advice. The light is still on and yes I did take the gas cap off and re-tighten it. My guess is I just havn't driven it enough. Its not a daily driver. I've probable cycled the ignition 15 times but I think I'm going to have to go for a long ride. If not its off to the dealership.

    SVT
     
  4. vaderinc

    vaderinc Formula Junior

    Jul 6, 2010
    667
    Cyprus
    Full Name:
    Mario
    I got that on my 2009 a couple of times. I took it in to the dealership ... Don't know if they actually did anything but it's fine now so all good.
     
  5. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    Well I took it out last night down the freeway, filled up with gas, and drove it 50 miles. There was not change in the engine code system failure reading. Do I need to drive it longer or get it to the dealership?

    Thanks, SVT
     
  6. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Jun 11, 2013
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    I think you have to go to the dealer- because it really could be anything. I don't think the typical code readers can really read all the Ferrari codes. Better safe than sorry- its a complex machine. FWIW, I had a parking sensor which got nailed by a pebble on the highway and it was going bad. It caused the system to display all these crazy codes- like transmission failure, manettino failure, you name it, it says it was failing. It was just a bad parking sensor...
     
  7. mike_c

    mike_c Rookie

    Jul 14, 2014
    35
    Virginia, USA
    If you go to the dealer, I am very interested in what the cause of your error codes are. My car had a similar sounding issue, and the problem went away with time and driving. But, I will never really know the cause, or exactly what I did to fix it. That is not very reassuring.

    Your problem could be the same, or something completely different.
     
  8. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    Well the dealer has the car and it looks like the car was over filled with oil. Its a dry sump system so when you check it cold you can barely see it. You have to check it hot and the mechanic said it should never ever be more then half way up the stick and that is hot. When I checked mine hot it was just over max which means its blowing oil into the plenum and burning the oil which is why I got the codes that said it was running rich. The people that changed the oil before I bought the car overfilled it. I'm not going to mention names at this point but try to see if they are willing to pay for the 2K in repairs. I'll keep you posted and we'll see what happens. The good news is it should not have damaged anything and that the my code readings were correct. My advice to all would be don't put to much oil in your car even if it looks low cold that's how it should read.

    SVT
     
  9. Toddston

    Toddston Karting
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    Nov 29, 2006
    194
    USA
    Just a gentle FYI, I believe the manual instructs you to always check your oil hot and with the engine running to get a correct read.
     
  10. 1mean3

    1mean3 Formula Junior
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    Sep 26, 2012
    427
    FWIW, my 2010 599GTB had just been at the previous owners dealer for annual service and warranty extension certification ($12k total on receipt) when I bought the car.

    One month later I had it at my dealer because I noticed a small oil seepage on a cam cover. My dealer claimed the oil had been overfilled (common issue I'm told). As this was not covered under warranty they were going to charge me. I forwarded this to the previous dealer to pay for and/or work out .

    Got worked out...
     
  11. 1mean3

    1mean3 Formula Junior
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    Sep 26, 2012
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    I hear about this over filling issue often. Even being done by a Ferrari dealer! Bizarre state of affairs.
     
  12. edeo

    edeo Karting

    Apr 6, 2006
    76
    This issue came close to ruining my Ferrari experience for good. I bought a new 2010 599 and had the over filling problem from the start. The car must have gone back at least a dozen times - covered by warranty, but very inconvenient since I'm 100+ miles from the dealer. Often the failure warning would light up on my way home from having the problem "fixed".
    Apparently excess oil would blow out of the breather and foul sensors. After three years I learned from a friend what the likely problem was and told the service writer. They fixed it once again, but I was accused of being the one who overfilled it. Several times.
    The dealer was just in denial. I wanted them to understand that they were doing something wrong. I couldn't believe i was the only one who had the problem. I remember the response. "Well, Ed, you are the only one who drive his." I had a full year with no issues, but right after the next annual service it happened again.
    The car has 23k miles now. I have paid for the extended warranty for the last 2 years, but in the future I'll have my friend do all of the service. Amongst other things, he's a very competent mechanic, has a 360, and has taken superb care of my classic Jags over the years.
     
  13. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    Just an update on the 599. Getting the oil level right appears to have fixed the car and has ran well the last couple of months. Tires are next as they are getting old. I was pleased with the response where I bought the car in Florida as they paid for the repairs and it meant a lot that they believed in what I was telling them and what had happened to the car. Its a used car and they didn't have to do anything so just wanted to let you know that Excell Auto Group in Florida believed I had a problem and stood behind the purchase and made things right.

    SVT
     
  14. wings

    wings Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
    846
    I have a 2010 599. I had the oil changed by my competent tech who has done it before on my car. 700 miles and over a year later I got the mentioned warning light. I noticed that the car would not accelerate above 6000 rpm without breaking down. Dealer said the sensors got wet from an oil overfill. What? The oil change was 700 miles ago and over a year. NO way it would just now decide to seep into the air sensors? They showed me the wet areas on the sensors so I could see that this was the case but how? Got on the internet and I noticed that there were reports of pcv failures that had also caused this result. I have a 2 year warranty on the fix so if it happens again its on them. ( about 3K ) I believe it will happen again because they did not fix the original cause of this issue which I think is the pcv. Most frustrating is that the did NOT measure the oil that they took out of the engine. Had they done that they could have verified that the problem was caused by overfilling of the oil. When I asked why the did not measure the oil they said that they did not have to as they new what the issue was and see it all the time. I would highly recommend that if you have this issue you insist that the dealer measure the oil coming out of the engine to verify the overfill diagnosis.
     
  15. wings

    wings Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
    846
    #15 wings, Jan 10, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2015
    correction. My car is a 2008.
     
  16. SVT

    SVT Rookie

    Jan 7, 2014
    9
    Yeah that's a great Idea and also to check the PVC valves that would be a cheap fix. I pretty well knew it was overfilled as I was told to get the car really hot and then check the oil and it was over max on the dipstick. I was told by the Ferrari tech that it should only read about halfway on the dipstick when the car was hot. That's when I took it to the dealership and had it looked at to avoid anymore damage. They cleaned out my air sensors to try to save some money and that worked. I was told it works about half the time but it worked for me. Hey I'm new to this type of engine so correct me if I'm wrong. I've rebuilt many small block Chevys and Fords but nothing this complicated. I'm just glad it was a simple fix and did not do a lot of damage. It seems to me from what I've read after having this problem it is common and Ferrari should have some sort of recall or something sort of sensor to let you know if you get any oil on the Oxygen sensors.

    Thanks for every ones comments.

    SVT
     

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