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  1. jasu

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    #5526 jasu, Oct 15, 2014
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    From backside of governor, push the plug arrowed in the picture, about 5mm inside, then you can remove thin circlip what is holding the plug on its place. After the circlip is removed, all parts behind the plug is removable. There is only one seal (O-ring) and that is in the plug.
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  2. Reddy

    Reddy Karting

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    Thank you very much for the hint.

     
  3. Mexico074

    Mexico074 Formula 3

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    Hello Jasu...

    That is an interesting diagram you have of the steering governor!!! Where did you find
    it?? I have never seen this diagram before.. I don't recall the owners manual having
    this diagram.. Would you be willing to share all your governor info with the rest of us K
    owners?

    If you would prefer to discuss this privately, please PM me...

    Thanks...

    Mike
     
  4. jasu

    jasu Rookie

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    That is from Citroen Sm 639-7 manual, can be easily from web (can't recall the site). Only difference to Khamsin governor is "breather/filler neck" what Sm doesn't have.

    In that manual, there is also speed related hydraulic pressures mentioned, helping when testing the unit.
     
  5. AMLC

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    #5530 AMLC, Oct 26, 2014
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  6. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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    Hello AMLC,

    AM120.124, the only K sold by the short lived (3 months, February to May 1975) Ligier owned Maserati dealership in Vichy, central France. It is owned by an enthusiast who also has a Bora, he came to KHAMSIN QUARANTA in 2012 as part of the French Maserati club group which joined us for a morning castle visit.

    Best regards,

    MS
     
  7. italiancars

    italiancars F1 Rookie

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    Marc,
    Any idea where Khamsin #1266 is today?

    Joe
     
  8. abarth69

    abarth69 Karting

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    1266 lives about 15 minutes away from 1228 in Toronto

    Cheers

    Mark
     
  9. Nembo1777

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    Hi Joe, what we know is that it had been restored extensively by Richard S near NYC, then bought in 2009 by Rick R. of Georgia who posted here occasionally, it was in an article in a small US magazine then he sold it but not sure where, it might have gone to Canada, will ask Rick by email now.

    In other news AM120250 which was a one owner car near Milan one of three or four left has changed hands in recent weeks and is now with an enthusiast in Germany. The car is said to have received a bit of engine tuning at the factory before delivery upon the buyer's insistence. but I have to find out more...The original owner had previously owned an early Khamsin but it burned to the ground.

    Best regards,

    Marc
     
  10. Nembo1777

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    There you go Toronto area that's what I thought:)

    MS
     
  11. Reddy

    Reddy Karting

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    Thanks for the hint.


     
  12. Attitude928

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    #5537 Attitude928, Oct 28, 2014
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  13. Mexico074

    Mexico074 Formula 3

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    Hello Marc....

    A quick question for you... Are you aware of any K's in China?
    Perhaps this was discussed here before, and my apologies if so..

    I came across some photos of the 2014 Bund Classic held in
    Shanghai in October.. One of these photos showed Adolfo Orsi
    kneeling next to a gold Khamsin...

    Mike
     
  14. JasonMiller

    JasonMiller F1 Rookie
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    1234? Interesting, I own the Merak number 1234 ..
     
  15. Nembo1777

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    #5540 Nembo1777, Oct 30, 2014
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    Hi Mike,

    I have a theory but Bart has the facts I think, if so he will share the info. Carsten who knows China very well believes it is a Hong Kong car shipped in for the event. I think it could be a car used as press car in the UK when they were new because it is identical down to the mirror. We should have this figured out in the next few days.

    There were three K's I knew of in Hong Kong, one is now in Australia with Dilip Sen, one is back in the UK so it could be the third one about which I have no data.

    As far as mainland China I had never heard or seen any evidence before this car in the Bund concours.

    Oh and great to see Adolfo kneeling in front of a Khamsin while judging it, would love to see that photo so I can tease him with it:)

    Actually just found it see link:)

    http://www.sportscardigest.com/bund-classic-concours-2014-report-photos/#!shadowbox[sbpost-71112];player=img;-6

    Jordan hello! 1234 looks great, first Khamsin I ever drove!:) That was at Denver Maser Miglia 1997 when owned by John Bookout and in the care of Robert Hanna!

    Best regards,

    Marc
     
  16. AMLC

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    #5541 AMLC, Oct 30, 2014
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    Interesting, so China is "probably the classic car market leader in the future"?: Bund Classic Concours 2014 - Photos, Results, Report

    Unbelievable to see a Khamsin (or a yellow Dodge Challenger) in China!
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  17. Attitude928

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    #5542 Attitude928, Oct 30, 2014
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    Marc - Here's a pic for you to reminisce:
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  18. Attitude928

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    #5543 Attitude928, Oct 30, 2014
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    Interesting Jason....when I learned to count those were the first numbers that they taught me...Let's see a pic of the Merak. Which type? Here's my 1234 interior:
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  19. BartvanderWeiden

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    #5544 BartvanderWeiden, Oct 30, 2014
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    This Khamsin is owned by a collector that loves low mileage cars and this is an unique example, completely untouched with only 178 miles(!) on the clock. He also has a Bora with 76 km on the clock and a MerakSS with delivery mileage, not only Maserati's, also other makes make him happy.

    Love to see them like that but my personal preference is to let those wheels roll!

    Ciao,

    Bart
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  20. Nembo1777

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    #5545 Nembo1777, Oct 31, 2014
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    Thanks Jordan:)

    My drive in 1997 was from downtown Denver -the George hotel or something like that where the group had stayed- to the Ferrari Maserati dealer and I was smiling because the car was everything I expected from behind the wheel and more...and my expectations had been very high:)

    Bart:

    Thank you for the photos and info. Any chance of getting the chassis number here or privately?

    Bedankt in advance!

    Marc
     
  21. au-yt

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  22. Mexico074

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    More information on my saga regarding the S brake fittings used to connect
    the Khamsin brake spheres.

    Per Bob S., I checked with MIE and unfortunately they did not have any of
    these fittings on hand. They did have a complete used S tube with the fittings
    that appears to be in decent shape. I have not installed this one yet as one
    of the fittings appears to have the same issue as the original one, which leaked.
    Chances are these issues are from over-tightening of the fittings.

    As such, I decided to continue my hunt for the fittings themselves. The threaded
    portion of this fitting appears to be exactly 9 mm. The TPI appears to be 20..
    This in and of itself is somewhat of an anomaly, as metric bolts usually measure
    the threaded portion as the distance between threads, such as 1, 1.25, and 1.5.
    Searching the internet produced a British fitting which appears to be quite common
    at 3/8 inch (not quite 9 mm, but very close), with a tpi of 20... hmmmm... could
    this be the one used here... I will continue this quest and report back any useful
    findings. This 3/8 - 20 brake fitting may actually be quite common and found in
    most auto parts stores. As indicated, I will keep you informed on my findings.
    This may be of interest as chances are these fittings are used on all the K hydraulic
    line ends.

    On an aside note, I did talk to a Citroen specialist to find out why these spheres are tied
    together, as I believe this is not the case on the Bora. Of the top of his head he wasn't
    sure either. Any thoughts on this?

    Mike
     
  23. Mexico074

    Mexico074 Formula 3

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    Hi Mark....

    Sorry for the delay in this... For the last 25 years of Maserati
    ownership (beginning with my Biturbo), I have always used
    Castrol 20-50W oil.. Never had an issue or oil related problem.

    What are you using?

    Mike
     
  24. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Have your tried Dave?

    Dave Burnham Citroën - Welcome

    A friend of mine who had a Bora for a very long time and helped me a lot when I first got mine had what I believe is a similar issue to yours. These fittings leaked after he changed the spheres. He used an anaerobic style sealer made for this situation. I think you're correct about the over tightening issue. There's something inherently difficult about getting these to seal properly and maybe that leads to people forcing the issue. It worked for him. Are your threads just hopeless damaged at this point?

    Bob S.

     
  25. jasu

    jasu Rookie

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    The threads on brake spheres is M9x1,25 and thread on pipes are 3/8"x24 UNF. These adaptor between pipe and sphere are "special -Maserati parts" to couple Maserati tubing to Citroen hydraulics. Part no. VRN 72225 found on Merak parts manual...

    I'm not 100% sure Khamsin has same part what Merak in similar place, but quite near...


    -Jasu
     

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