The best in business?

I also believe Kimi's most impressive years where at Mclaren...2005 and 2006 he was clearly the best driver out there.....and he kept on being that trough 07, but not with the same flair...

 

trust me there is worst out there than hamilton....lololo

 

It's not only how much you win, but how you win it that matters to me.

The stats don't reflect that.

Senna and Schumacher may have won lots, they are not great in my book, they raced dirty.

But Jim Clark was great, so was Jackie Stewart, or Niki Lauda (for me), or Alain Prost or Mika Hakkinen; they were talented, fast and displayed sportmanship in my etyes.

Jim Clark or Alain Prost didn't need to push their rivals against a wall or ram them to win championships, for example.

Senna and Schumacher pushed the boundary of aggression on track to a previously unknown level. That is my opinion.

I may not like Hamilton, but I think he uses his aggression in the right way, so far, not to put his rivals at risk. He could be considered great one day.

 

I partly agree with what your saying, that's why Gilles was the best ever for me..besides being the fastest and most talented out there, he as the most honest and fair of them all....as for Hamilton, one of the reasons i dislike him (apart from his big mouth) is what he did agains TRulli in Australia, when he deliberatly lied to the stewards to trie and disqualify him. To me this is totally unecceptable, and i don't care how much someone is going to say he only did what Mclaren told him to do...to me, he simply lost all my respect as a sportsman, end of story....

 

Yes, Villeneuve was a great driver, and yet he never won a title. One could see that he gave all his heart to his sport; well, he gave his life for it.
A truly decent fellow with no malice in him.

I don't recall Hamilton's incident with Trulli in Australia; can you remind me what it was all about?

The trouble with Hamilton is that he was groomed from a young age by the McLaren organisation; he never had to worry about budget, never had to chase sponsors, always got the best cars in all the categories they managed him, etc..
He grew with them, so he owed everything to McLaren, and only broke the umbilical cord when he had enough balls to leave them for Mercedes. Until then, he was Ron Dennis' favourite son, etc...
I don't like his personality at all; everytime he appears on TV for an interview, I cringe ...

 

Blame the team not the driver

Weird how you don't like him for that yet still like ms for all the stuff he has done. Most of his dirty tactics were done on tbe track and were his decision alone. Hamilton acting on team orders.


I like ms as well. Just saying how I don't get your reasoning here

 

Now Pedro, let me just point out a little small factoid to you, you may have conveniently forgotten, and this is disregarding that cretin Mosley and his hate/jealously for anything RD & Mclaren.

Hamilton firstly got out of his car and the press/media jumped on him, he then proceeded to tell them the sequence of events that happened under the SC IIRC!, so then the problems started when he was told by his team to tell a different story to the stewards...that is the real story.

 

Might wanna rethink that Prost sportsmanship. I believe he started the crashings with senna

 

Nico rosberg also crashed Into hamilton so he may wanna rethink his support of rosberg as well

 

Needless comment. Racing incident and in the history of F1 hardly noteworthy. Again though LH bounced off multiple drivers in Germany so thats ok lol??

Also he had a nice run in with Kimi's Ferrari in Montreal a few years ago, when Kimi was stopped at the pit exit with a GLARING red light facing him. So......move on.

 

Now you have some explaining to do!
How on earth is the team supposed to be responsible for Hamilton's lack of character *??




* as always, when talking to toil: Yes, lack of character does not have really have any effect on his pace. I am not a Rosber fan, I am not a Ham hater.

 

Look up the law of undue influence. I find it somewhat analogous to the situation here. Rookie who has been developed by mclaren from aged 12 and suddenly gets his big break and then team instruct him to say something

 

yip = lack of character.
Doesn't matter if he shows that on day 1 of his career or day 10. Lack of character is lack of character.

 

Personally I don't think it's as simplistic as that. Happened so long ago and so many drivers have made mistakes I don't get why anybody cares anymore. Sure be upset at the time but damn...But of course you're entitled to that view and it's not an unreasonable one to have.

 

There is a guy on here that met Hamilton when he was in the USA, and I have to say what he posted on here, totally contradicts your take on his persona.

Well for what's it's worth:

Personally I have never met him, but of the top of my head, I can recall the said poster saying, he met Hamilton on the street, there were no heirs and graces about him, he spent time with him more than he would have thought, he took pictures with him and his son, the poster posted them on here, he said he laughed and joked and was a really nice guy.

 

There is no problem with that. I also haven't met him and wouldn't be surprised if he is a nice guy.
The point is that he had a moment in his career where he should have stood up and decided not to at the cost of others. That by no means takes away friendlyness and other attributes he may or may not have.

 

There is a fine line between being perceived as arrogant and talking like a winner, IMO Hamilton butts right up to this line, however he can back his hyped up chat on the track, so yet again I have no problem with it.

And when all's said and done folk tend to dislike a winner when they talk like that, they want to see them fall, in that context, why I don't know, maybe it's a human nature thing, same as folk like to see an underdog do well.

Ricci seems to have struck a nice balance with all at the min, in winning over many fans, me included.

 

That's bs and you know it, if you can't see the diference between a race incident and something done on purpose you are waisting your're tima watching races

 

I don't recall Hamilton's incident with Trulli in Australia; can you remind me what it was all about?


here it is:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1H_SbBVxc]Hamilton/Trulli Melbourne 2009 Onboard - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBdZ0DNLqk0]Lewis Hamilton Lie-Gate Evidence - YouTube[/ame]

Pretty clear to me!!

 

Lewis is definitely a very fast driver, but, off the track, he does seem to suffer from a higher-than-average number of brain farts.

 

That's what happens when a young driver is constantly coached by his team.

It was a plot over the radio to eliminate one rival and gain a place.
Luckily, there were evidence to clear Trulli.

 

+1

 

I don't see it that way.

 

Neither do i.....

 

Agree totally... wins don't reflect what happened on the track. For instance... I like Ric as much as the next guy I guess, but it's not like he did some sort of supernatural driving to win his three races. If the Mercs held together... it's not a win. But at the same time, attrition is part of any racing... you gotta finish to win... but there is something to be said about how you win.

Waltrip winning Dayona because of a red flag is not winning Daytona... a race where it makes zero difference what you do untill the last 2 or 3 laps.