F12 GTO?

Does anybody think Ferrari will make a limited production of F12 GTO's convertibles like the SA Aperta?

 

I have been told there will not be a GTO version at all. Yes an upgraded or Modificato, but nothing using GTO, they have no wish to devalue that particular moniker.

 

Ferrari have been using that line since after the Challenge Stradale: ''No, there will never be a 430 Challenge Stradale'' (in comes the Scuderia). ''No, there will never be a 458 Scuderia'' (in came the 458 Speciale).

Technically they're telling the truth, but we don't care what's it called....as long as an F12 comes wit the Same Speciale/Scuderia/Stradale/GTO idealogy life will be good.

I think the only one they lied about was a 575 CS. I can't remember if they said it was in development or there was a strong rumour and they denied it, either way it never came...

 

There's bound to be a few special series iterations - there always are. Use of the GTO label is unlikely simply because it gets used only very rarely - like once every 25 years or so.

 

And because Ferrari haven't used the same model name for their ''hardcore'' series of the V8 cars either.

F12 ''GTO'' will be another license to print money for Ferrari. Fantastic IMO!

 

There will be no F12 GTO. A modified (M, HGTE, …) yes but one wearing the GTO badge … no.

 

I understand that we many of us are speculating as to whether or not the F12 will or won't get the GTO badging BUT if it did, what fiscal impact do you all feel might happen to the 599 GTO values.

As an owner of two GTO's I have a real concern about the devaluation that might occur if the F12 comes out with a GTO badge.

I don't have as big of a concern with my Aperta due to the limited production but perhaps there would be a negative fiscal impact there as well...?

 

ROMO-

The F12 GTO (if/when released) will not really negatively impact the 599 GTO too badly. No doubt it will be much faster, but the F12 is already faster than the 599 GTO without hurting the 599 GTO value. If I were you, I'd just sell one 599 GTO and get an F12 GTO so you would have both. The issue would be if a lot of other GTO owners would do the same then the supply of 599 GTOs for sale would go up possible hurting values.

 

Before the 599 GTO came out, I for one would have agreed with you. However, due to the fact that the 599 is not a real GTO, why would they not use it, and why would they feel like it was that special? I mean, on the 599, it was used as a name for marketing. Not that I feel like Ferrari has committed a major crime by doing so, as they are in the business of selling cars. But the GTO badge does, to me at least, not represent the same on a 599, as it does on the 250 and 288.



Flame resistant suit on, flame away.

 

Do you think F12 GTO will be such loud as 599 GTO or it will have some strange exhaust system like Speciale?

 

i dont get how people can say that this mule is for a Cali.

also I do believe that there will be an F12 GTO.

 

What would be the perfect colour combo for an F12 GTO?

Sorry mate, couldn't resist

 

I don't think the F12 GTO power and sound will be correctly compared to the Speciale. Instead it would be more accurate to compare it to the LaFerrari or LaFerrari XX as they share the same basic engine. The Laferrari tunes the 6.3L to 800HP and the LaFerrari XX takes it to 889HP. I would think it might come in at least 840HP and no KERS. This will keep it faster than any new 458 turbo replacement yet continue to draw the line with the hypercar by keeping the electric crap out of the GT car. Sound should be much better than the V8 Speciale (F12 already is) and as loud as the 599 GTO (but might not have the blips during downshift). All conjecture though - they may not even build an F12 GTO. If they did, I would sell my F12 for a slot but only if I could get the same colors and they do NOT put a touch screen into that beautifl interior.

 

The use of the GTO moniker is extremely unlikely on the special edition F12, in my opinion anyway.

 

This makes the most sense to me. Unlike the V8s, Ferrari has no tradition of making hardcore versions of the V12s, just special versions, so they can just change the styling a bit, up the power a bit and call it the M version or chop off the roof and call it the Aperta or Superamerica version...

 

There is no way that the hardcore F12 will have a more powerful V12 than the LaFerrari hypercar. I would expect around 770 hp. The LaXX will have 900+ from its V12.

 

True, but the GTO is a real success, it's already a classic and it's probably the second most popular ferrari of the modern era after the F40.

So there are serious reasons for a Hardcore F12.

 

I've been told that it will be called a GTO...this will ruin the whole GTO myth IMO...and hurt the value of the 599 GTO even tho IMO it's the most exciting ferrari to drive .

 

I think that many of my fellow Fchatters have completely misread how, why and when Ferrari brands a car a GTO. IMHO the F12 line will have an "HGTE" version like the 599 but will NEVER use the "GTO" moniker. Why ? The 599GTO is based on the track only 599XX. As 599GTO owners know, the 599GTO is really just a detuned 599XX. The 599GTO is a completely different car than the 599GTB. Other than the body shape, the GTO and GTB are just totally different animals. There is no track only version of the F12. I'd even be so bold as to say that there never will be a track only version of the F12. After the 599XX and 599XX Evo there will be the LaF XX track only version. Bottom line is that the GTO moniker won't be used again for I'd estimate another 20 years or so. Conversely, there could, theoretically, be a GTO version of the LaF based on the LaF XX but I don't see that happening and if Ferrari made a GTO version of the LaF they'd charge crazy money (I'd think $3M-$3.5M or double what a base LaF costs). So unless you see a track only version of the F12 somewhere I'd get the concept of an F12 GTO out of your minds. It isn't happening. Period.

 

Thank you for putting it more clearly than I could be bothered to do!

 

Unless you spoke with the Chairman of Ferrari himself I'd take everything you hear with a grain of salt.

 

That's what I have been saying and repeating all along … thanks for laying it out again. Helps to have support from fellow GTO owners

 

I hope you are right ...

 

How do you determine success? "Second most popular Ferrari in the modern era after F40," getting carried away a bit are we?
Every limited version modern V12 car that Ferrari makes does a decent job of holding its value. I would think that there is just as strong a reason for making a M version, a Barchetta, a Superamerica or an Aperta......

P.S. I do love the 599 GTO

 

I think you missed my point. I only quoted just the NA V12 engine specs on the LaFerrari and LaFerrari XX. They both have the additional 160HP electric toothbrush (motor). Since they both share the F12 engine they have proven that it can be tuned another couple hundred HP over the 730HP on the F12. By tuning up about 100HP, it would be about 840-850HP which would make it faster than the turbo replacement for the 458 (which it must be faster than) and still be less power than any LaFerrari since they add the electric pencil sharpener (motor) to get a huge combined number.

I think the future of the F12 is first the HGTE, then the GTO as the last of the last F12s. I think I know how current 599 GTO owners feel as I would not welcome a modern replacement of my machine that was better in all regards but that's how I read the tea leaves. I remember LdM saying that there will be a very special edition of the F12 towards the end of its cycle. Right now its two and a half years into an eight year cycle if I'm counting right. I also remember the interview where Ferrari stated that KERS is reserved for the hypercar series only. That give the F12 the green light to have great HP in their NA V12s.

The only car I would sell my F12 for would be the F12 GTO in the same colors, 800+HP and no dorky LCD screens in the center console. I would also likely get as much leather as could be added. Basically the same car with a bigger motor and upgraded chassis control SW. I'd also add the brakes that are on the LaFerrari but they will come with the HGTE package first. I also think they might mess with the body panels a bit around the time of the HGTE package or maybe right after. They will then loose the Pininfarina designation doing it as well. If the aero-bridge goes then I will likely keep mine. It will loose its character and maybe pickup some more unnecessary gills or flaps like the one-offs did.

Just my thoughts. Others have theirs.