Stradale or Scuderia

Well, you certainly have owned them all and while I believe the Scud didn't work out for you, the stats at the track don't lie... The Scud is superior. It just doesn't jive with your driving style/personal preferences, and I can understand that. Saying the CS is better is subjective to your tastes and experiences. Just because you've owned the cars you have listed doesn't change the fact that the Scud is a better car all the way around. That's why I would suggest the OP drive both and pick the one that feels right to him. I was up in the air before I bought my Scud, and driving both made the decision easy. (I picked the Scud).

 

Stradales in Oz are going up in price and there's not many around
Scuds seem to be going down, but next week it may change
I love em both and want em both, as you do too
I'd get a Stradale first if your getting both coz they're going up
If it's only one of em you are going to own, for me, it would be the the Scud

 

+1

 

I was just watching this great clip of the Scud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um6GCzKQudg

At the end it just proves how subjective laptimes are, Tiff Needell (a great driver btw) his fastest laptime is 1min29.4

Don't get me wrong, i am NOT saying the CS is faster than the Scud, maybe Tiff's fastest laptime in the CS is 1min31, who knows....

Fact is, both are great cars, one might like the driving experience of the CS more, while the other likes the Scud more for some reason. Another reason might be that pretty much everyone can drive the Scud at the limit thanks to the electronics, while the CS is much harder to drive on the limit. This means the reward you get when you do get it right is a lot higher and satisfying in the CS. For this reason, some still prefer to drive a proper manual gearbox, it demands even more driver involvement.
If you just want to be the fastest, go get a 458 Speciale, put any novice driver at the wheel and he'll drive circles around the CS and Scud.

Conclusion again, it's all very subjective and personal!

Just go and try both cars to make up your mind

 

Just to sum up what many before have already said, better lap time, better performance etc does NOT necessarily mean better car. "Better" is subjective to the folks looking into either for their next smile-maker and each is a different flavor of awesome and will tickle the fancy of people w different preferences.

For another round of vs lap times, in the hands of the stig the scud clocks in 1:19.7 and the cs 1:22.3 around the top gear circuit.

scud vid:
F430 Scuderia Top Gear HD on Vimeo

cs vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGRXIDf9yTg

 

Exactly my point!

 

Wow faster than a Lambo LP640 and a Carrera GT impressive!!!
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Speed is one thing, scarcity, beauty, and emotion are different.

The CS is not quite as fast as the Scuderia. But, in terms of the emotional driving experience, purity of design, and scarcity, the CS and Scuderia are hardly comparable IMHO. The CS (especially with a factory stripe) is already a collector's item. I doubt the Scuderia (except perhaps the 16M) will ever be.


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Once again, by your definition of "better", you should be driving a Corvette.

The SCUD will beat a 250GTO around the track easily. Which car is "better"

 

That's great..... I'd bet $1K there's not a single guy participating in this thread that could put up those times on that track in ANY car. The CAR didn't do those times..... The DRIVER did those times.

 

I would love to have both cars and think they both have there own merits. For me the CS is a very a pretty car with its own special feel. The scud an evolution of that which increases overall performance, has a more engaging transmission but delivers a different feel. Each will have there own preferences a lucky few won't have to choose. You really can't go wrong with either.

It is obviously true that an average driver won't beat an experts lap in even a slower car.

However, it is extremely doubtful that someone won't be able to drive a faster lap in a scud than their own effort in a CS. My guess is you won't put a 1K bet on that ;–]

I would think we all have a little more faith in Ferrari's ability to evolve the car.

 

I've never taken my CS to the track. Probably never will. I always drive Ariel Atom at the track. So I don't care.

For me, "Ferrari" is about "art". I just don't care about using them as track cars and neither do most others as all you see at the track is Vette's and Old Porsche.

458's and California's and Lambo's aren't on my radar. Anytime I see a MAN in a California I think "There's a guy who doesn't know anything about anything".

I also don't drive like an idiot on public roads.

 

Aren't you missing the point? Given the same driver and track, the Scuderia is substantially faster than the CS. Actually on a higher speed track, the delta will be larger due to the power difference. The Top Gear "track" is only 1.76 miles long and the longest straight is 1/3rd of a mile or so?

If anything I hear the CS is harder to drive, so that would mean it will be an even larger gap in performance for a HPDE-enthusiast with less skill than a racing driver.

Top Gear times:

CS: 1:22:3
Scud: 1:19.7
Lap Record in F1 Renault 2004: 0:59

It's a valid comparison; not sure why you would criticize it.

 

Because it goes against his choice. However, there are still some folks who do care about relative performance on and off the track. And from the sound of it he's never been to the track in anything.

Just got back from Sonoma raceways this past weekend. There were 3 Ferrari challenge cars, 2 Porsche cup cars, 3 McLarens, a scud and 2 360s on track. Only vettes on circuit were the hooked on driving stingray test drive cars.

 

My only real point is that a Ferrari's "value" has very little to do with "performance". I love SCUDS. I desperately want a 16M. But it has nothing to do with "performance". I just don't care.

That little Ariel Atom will beat the pants off all these cars and it's cheap. Doesn't that register in your argument? "Price" or "Value" has very little to do with "performance".

 

That's all fine, but that's your opinion. Others place more value on performance than you. I actually value both aesthetics and performance, as well as the Ferrari mystique, racing pedigree, etc. Regardless, the reason this debate is pointless is that it's completely subjective. Different strokes, horses for courses, etc. Each individual needs to decide which car is "better" for him personally.

As I said before, it's all about driver experience, by which I mean how the driver feels behind the wheel (again, subjective). While for some, good driver experience is about performance, for others it will be the styling of the car, the way it sounds, the pride associated with driving a "work of art," etc.

 

Everyone has the right to their own opinion but some opinions on here are just funny lol

 

These subjective threads on here never go anywhere but it is entertaining how emotional people get and defensive about their cars... it's understandable and comical at the same time.

 

That's dope. Best weekend here saw mp4, 430 challenge, Porsche cups, my scud, many gt3 and RS, etc.

I definitely don't see as many Ferraris as I would like here, but that motivates me even more to get out there and share the noise ; )

 

I personally place more value in the "perception of performance" and "racing heritage" than actual performance or race competence. And it's a sharing of opinions, not an argument...you don't see me forcing anything onto others in this thread...I've only been adamant about correcting certain performance figures.

In the short stint I had the CS in parallel w the Scuderia, I did not blink once about letting the CS go because, and this is just my own experience, the Scuderia offered me everything the CS had, just much more.

People rave about how the 599 GTO is a direct derivative of the 599XX programme, well, the 430 Scuderia is a direct derivative of Ferrari's most successful F1 campaign of all time. It is also co-developed by the most successful F1 driver of all time, Michael Schumacher.

It is also the launching pad for all the greatness you now see in the 458, Specialé, F12 and so on. The first platform to adorn, what is now considered a Ferrari-staple, car controls like the manettino on the steering wheel.

It is also the last Ferrari w a true F1 racing single-clutch transmission.

It is also the last true Pininfarina Ferrari of Montezemolo's reign.

All the above + the goosebumps I get every time I rev the car is why I've kept mine. It's also the last good sounding Ferrari V8 imho. With the little add-ons I've made to it, it sounds better than a 355, which I have always heralded as the most intoxicating V8 sound of all time.

A lot of the newer ferraris w or w/o add-ons just sound loud and synthetic, nothing musical / symphonic about them imho.

I also think the 430 Scuderia & 360 Challenge Stradale, have what I feel, is the right balance between elegance and race-aerodynamics in the aesthetics dept.

You have the nice racey vents, masculine fenders and just that right level of aggression. I can't say the same about the 458 or Specialé...one is just too pretty, and the other is an ugly catfish-vacuum-sucking beast.

 

Saw this one yesterday at Road Atlanta. Very loud!
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Now that looks fun!!

 

Dear All,
This thread is 12 pages long and no one has made a good argument for either, which means the only right answer is to have both. So I have a deal agreed on a scud to complement the stripeless rosso corsa CS. Our collective inability to make a good argument has turned out to be very expensive!
It's a 2009 nuovo rosso scuderia with stripe, no radio, under 2,000 miles.
Pics to follow.

 

Cool. Looking forward to the pics. Hope you plan to drive it more than the previous owner(s)!

 

Sounds great!
'Nuovo Rosso Formula 1' - 3 layer paint!