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Best barnfind ever ? Lost Maserati A6G 2000 Frua in France !

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  1. wilde

    wilde Formula Junior

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  2. 3500 GT

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    Wow! Thank you for the link! This is a very good find, one of the best "undiscovered" collections in a long time.

    The "international car sharks" are swarming, the waters smell of rust! :)

    The top of the Maserati appears to be light blue? White?
     
  3. wilde

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    I don't know the S/N for the moment but it might be #2063 or #2140. These two Frua Coupé are still missing. The late owner, M. Baillon bought it in 1961 !

    Edit -> It's #2140 !
     
  4. TBigs

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    Staggering find of so many significant cars. Unbelievable cover image. A work of art in and of itself. Bravo!
     
  5. staatsof

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    #5 staatsof, Dec 5, 2014
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    And just WHY weren't you awake? ;)

    Think of how many of these can go directly to concours fields in "barn find" class.
    Wayne Carini will be busy for the rest of his life from this one find.
     
  6. wilde

    wilde Formula Junior

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    Ha ha, good question. A little explanation. The late owner of these cars, Mr Baillon, was an important business man of the area in the 50/60. Like Fritz Schulmf he was a compulsive buyer. At the end of the seventies, his business crash down. French financial authorities seized the cars and an auction took place in june 1979. Arround 50 cars of the collection were for sale. My father was here. He was a young boy and intented to buy a Jaguar E-Type. Unfortunately for him, the Jag made a score. Few weeks later, he found his E-Type and years later he bought Mr Baillon's personnal S-Type.
    End of the first part.
    The fact is that nobody knew that M. Baillon hid the rest of his collection (my explanation is for cheating the taxman !!!). Of course, I'm pretty sure that some people were aware !
     
  7. staatsof

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    One thing is clear, other than the SWB Ferrari I didn't see much that would qualify for preservation class. These look like some very difficult restorations. If the market tanks perhaps more than a few will be recycled?

    Too bad they didn't get better treatment.
     
  8. 71Satisfaction

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    "Treatment" can mean so many things to so many owners. An indoor storage place in 1960 might be the totality of their definition of "treatment". Especially if concealment is a requirement.

    Anyway - don't complain….

    …after all, what would we have to fantasize or agonize over if it weren't for Wealthy Reclusive Buyers With Obsessive Compulsive Disorders?

    …nothing. No barn finds.


    Cheers,
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  9. TBigs

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    Agreed. Looking through the photos was both exciting and sad. There is definitely a lot of good stuff worth saving, but it is also quite a graveyard for many.
     
  10. joehayes

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    I own Maserati A6G/2000 #2181-a Third Series Frua Coupe that was at Pebble Beach this past August. If you Google Maserati Frua Pebble Beach 2014 there are several pictures of the car. It is red with a black roof. There were only two third series cars built-the other one being #2194. The odd thing about #2194 is that it has not been seen since the late 1950's and disappeared in France at that time. So when the barn find pics appeared I thought this was the long lost #2194. Well, I was wrong. The bumpers and grill on the barn find were different than #2194.

    It turns out that the newly discovered car is a Second Series car #2140, which has also been missing. So, keep looking, #2194 is still out there. Also, if you look at the website of
    pietro-frua.de/1956Maserati-coupe, it already is showing studio pictures of #2140 taken recently for the upcoming auction. Looking at the studio photos I am not sure the car is preservation class ready-if it has a steel body it could be really rusty. My car has an alloy body so we were fortunate that rust was not widespread.
     
  11. staatsof

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    The photos of everything in situ ARE perhaps worth the sacrifice of the cars?
     
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    It would be interesting to hear the owner's commentary or explanation. The speculation seems reasonable that he had to conceal them. But maybe his "treatment" was just an extremely tragic case of "Not for sale because I'm going to restore them someday"?

    Anyway, the world would be a boring place if everyone behaved perfectly rationally, with no compulsions or character flaws. Life is full of surprises, for better or for worse. Even if what happened to all of those thoroughly magnificent cars contends to go down in automotive history as the crown jewel of tragedies. Otherwise, we wouldn't have high octane fuel, penicillin or Ben & Jerry's.


    ...meanwhile #2194 is possibly still out there….
     
  13. nico5000GT

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    Jacques Baillon was for many years, by the talbot lago club in paris, he searched for pictures and history infos about the collection, but his father roger Baillon not allowed to him to show pictures of these collection. On the 23 July in 1979 roger baillon sold 15 cars by artcurial...
    best regards
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  14. gt4me

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    Lots of them will be almost entirely brand new cars by the time there restored.
     
  15. wilde

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    FROM THE BAILLON COLLECTION

    French carte grise
    Chassis n° 2140
    Engine n° 2140

    - One of just 4 produced; refined, stylish coachwork by Frua
    - Matching numbers
    - Exceptional history - in same family for 55 years
    - Superb condition
    - 1956 Paris Motor Show

    Maserati delivered the chassis to the Frua workshops on 9 February 1956, and it left Frua on 6 July to receive its engine and finishing. It appears in the factory archives as 'internal engine number 76, 2 Marelli ignition coils, Frua 2-4 seater berlinetta, black paintwork and ivory upholstery, Veglia instruments.' It was then delivered to France, complete with import licence, passing its "Service des Mines" homologation test on 2 August 1956. It was registered the same day in the name of Jacques Fildier of Rue St-Dominique, Paris, with number-plates 1007 FH 75. Fildier was an architect and connoisseur of British and Italian sports cars, who owned several Aston Martins. He had ordered the Maserati from Garage Mirabeau on Avenue de Versailles in Paris, who obtained it through Maserati's official French importers, Etablissements Thépenier in nearby Saint-Cloud. Maserati's invoice to Jean Thépenier, dated 2 August 1956, refers to a vettura Frua, verniciata in colore nero, 3 carburatori Weber 36DO4 n. 836, 843, 850. The relatively modest price of 2,500,000 lire probably refers to the chassis, with the bill from Frua sent separately.
    Although it had already been delivered to its new owner, the car was exhibited at the Paris Motor Show in the Grand Palais in October 1956. Such practice was not uncommon at a time when firms like Maserati produced their touring models one at a time, with importers only buying them after receiving definitive orders. An article by Giovani Lurani in Auto Italiana, dated 30 October 1956, talks of a '2,000cm3 six-cylinder Maserati GT, colour black with de luxe finish.'
    Between 1956-59 the radiator grill was modified, perhaps after a collision, and the car acquired the grill it has today - less bulky and more elegant than the original. On 12 July 1957 the car was sold to Marcel Chalas of Avenue de Versailles in Paris. After appearing in a Rue de la Pink advertisement in May 1959, the Maserati was again sold on 17 December 1959, this time to Roger Baillon, a garage-owner in the 19th arrondissement. The number-plates were later changed to 267 CMP 92, probably when the car was registered in the name of Jacques Baillon. It has remained in the Baillon family since 1959: some 55 years in the same hands! The Maserati archives contain a letter from Jacques Baillon written in 2000, requesting technical information about the car.

    Our model was one of the very first Maserati tourers - the first being the A6 1500 of 1946. Production was slow, with just 61 cars completed by the time the 2000 version was launched in 1950. Distribution was even more limited, and the single-camshaft engine was somewhat lacking in power. For the new A6G/54 - A for Alfieri, 6 for six cylinders, G for Ghisa (cast iron block), 54 for 1954 - Maserati improved things, with an overhead twin-camshaft engine (albeit with the same capacity) and dual spark plugs. Power was increased to 150hp and the car was light enough to reach 125mph. The coachwork was assigned to Frua, Allemano and Zagato; Pinin Farina had stopped working for Maserati in 1952, and was now 'busy' at rivals Ferrari. Between 1954-57 sixty cars emerged from the Maserati factory, including four Frua berlinettas in the same style as the car offered here, and two later coupés with a longer bonnet. Frua also produced a very limited number of Spider versions.
    The Maserati A6G/54 and A6G/2000 were radical sports cars for the time, inspired directly by competition and reserved for committed racing aficionados. But they would also enhance the transition between the worlds of racing and touring. The 3500 GT, launched in 1957, was Maserati's first comfortable Gran Turismo, on which all the following series that established the firm's success would be based. The A6G 2000 thus represents a key episode in Maserati's history.

    The car we are offering is therefore exceptional, for several reasons. First, in terms of the model - rare, historically significant and technically sophisticated; secondly, for its stylish and highly refined coachwork; and lastly for its individual history, having belonged to the same family for 55 years while retaining its original appearance. It constitutes the finest example of this model available on the market.
    Our Maserati has been parked next to a Ferrari 250 California ever since the latter entered the Baillon Collection in 1971. Four years ago Jacques Baillon began work on replacing the clutch; he removed the transmission tunnel, but did not have time to complete the job. This sublime, historic Maserati, still with its original engine, therefore remains in its purest, never-restored state. Its proportions are perfect; its balance is thrilling. It worked its magic on us on our first encounter on 30 September 2014. We are sure you will be equally enchanted when you discover it at Retromobile!

    Auction estimate:€800 000/ 1 200 000
     
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    #16 3500 GT, Jan 5, 2015
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    Thanks for the link!
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  17. velocetwo

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    This sort of reminds me of that dentist in Florida that had all the Ferrari's hidden in quonset hut's and barns. I think they were dissevered after a hurricane came through .
     
  18. Portenos

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    Thank you for sharing this great link containing so many photos of the car in its original state.

    There is much we can learn from these photos.
    Kinda like reading ancient hieroglyphics in a long lost tomb.

    This is a really great discovery that should IMHO fetch well over 1.2 million dollars.
    Then what? A very specialized sympathetic restoration? or a full frame off restoration?
    This is a tough one.
    Ciao,
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  19. paul robert

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    no doubt this is a serious collection of cars, it is however anything but a new discovery. these cars have been known for years and the Talbot Lago Grand Sport is even featured in the book by Peter Larsen.
    It is only because the grandson has decided to sell that they have come onto the international stage. Apparently mr Baillon bought most of his cars when they were already crashed or broken.
    Still, selling them seems to be the only way to save them.
     
  20. Daniel Marchand

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    Is there any marque specialist for this car?

    Or somebody know about a good book where I can find more information?

    Blogs, links, books, videos, etc... anything?
     
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    Sure,....it depends on what information you are after.

    Try Fabio Collina, Walter Baeumer, Adolfo Orsi or Frank Mandarano.

    ~Ciao and best.
     
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    #23 Registro Pietro Frua, Jan 13, 2015
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    I am doing research on the Maseratis bodied by Pietro Frua since 2002. You can find my documentation at Pietro Frua (1913-1983) - Maserati-Karosserien 1950-1976 and the history of chassis no. 2140 including its sister cars at Pietro Frua (1913-1983) - Maserati A6G/54 Coupé 1954-1957 including links to the relevant literature.

    The Maserati historians/authors have been named by "3500 GT" above.

    Stefan Dierkes
    Registro Pietro Frua
     
  23. OFFtrack

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    It is certainly one of the best websites around and proofs astonishing research work

    thanks for sharing your database so openly, Mr Dierkes. brings lots of joy

    best from berlin
    Dirk R
     
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    Stefan,

    My sincere apologies for not including your wonderful web site on my list.

    I have enjoyed visiting it many times.


    Ciao and best,

    ~Trev
     

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